西方的全面希腊化是水瓶座时代击败中国和印度等古老亚洲文明的最后希望吗？

Is the full hellenization of the West the last hope for defeating the old Asian civilizations (China, India, Iran etc.) in the Age of Aquarius?

西方的全面希腊化是水瓶座时代击败古老的亚洲文明(中国、印度、伊朗等国)的最后希望吗？

以下是Quora网友的评论：

Bruce Newman

Just when I think I've seen the craziest Quora question somebody dips deep into the well of solipsism and comes up with a real winner. It actually makes some kind of historical sense (up until the age of Aquarius) but has no probability and even less of an answer to why defeat is the goal.

就在我以为自己看到了Quora上最疯癫的问题时，有人深深地陷入了唯我主义的深渊，臆想出了一个真正赢家。它确实具有某种历史意义(直到水瓶座时代)，但不可能成真，也无法想象为什么要把战胜亚洲文明当做目标。

Charles Jameson

What is the significance of the age of Aquarius?

The Age of Aquarius is about 504 years away.

It is denoted by the sidereal constellation at the annual Vernal Equinox. Which is about 7 degrees Pisces. And it goes backward 1 degree every 72 years, due to precession.

So it not going into (The Age of) Aquarius for a while yet.

When we get there though, we will be living in a much more structured (for better or worse) life, as ruler of Aquarius is Saturn - the planet of order, discipline and structure.

水瓶座时代有什么意义？

水瓶座时代离我们大约504年。

它是由每年春分的恒星星座来表示的。大概是双鱼座7度。由于岁差，每72年后退1度。

所以我们暂时还不会进入水瓶座时代。

等我们进入水瓶座时代，我们将生活在一个更有条理的世界(无论是好是坏)，因为水瓶座的主导行星是土星-代表着秩序，纪律和条理的行星。

Zane B Stein

What if The Age of Aquarius really happened, but we weren't paying attention?

Interesting question.

First, each astrological age last around 2160 years, and things don't begin to change dramatically the moment the equinoxes precess into another sign. Rather, there is a shading in of the new age, and a shading out of the old age, that lasts from about 216 years before the age begins through 216 years after the start of the age, so as the influence of Aquarius begins to manifest in the world, the influence of Pisces begins to fade. (You could call that 512 year period the 'cusp' between the ages.)

如果水瓶座时代真的来临，而我们没有察觉怎么办？

这是个相当有趣的问题。

首先，每个占星时期大约持续2160年，当春分进入另一个星座时并不会突然发生巨变。相反，新时代和旧时代的交替是缓慢进行的，从某个时代开始前216年持续到下一时代开始后的216年，所以随着水瓶座的影响开始显现，双鱼座的影响开始消退。(你可以把这512年称为时代之间的“尖峰”。)

Second, there is a lot of difference in opinion as to exactly when the Age of Aquarius begins. I won't go into the technical side of this, but I have seen some propose variously that the age of Aquarius began to be felt back in 1781, 1844, 1890, 1957, and 1969....and perhaps the most extreme date, Rudolf Steiner wrote that the Aquarian Age would arrive in the year 3573.

其次，对于水瓶座时代开始的确切时间，人们有很多不同的看法。我不想在技术层面深入探讨，但我看过一些截然不同的解读，进入水瓶座时代的年份说法从1781年，1844年，1890年，1957年和1969年都有....更极端的说法是鲁道夫·斯坦纳提出的，水瓶座时代将于3573年到来。

With that being said....

If the age began in 1781, it has only been develo for 238 years, and so would have still been in the shading-in phase until 1997. In that case, the age is now in full-Aquarius mode and you should see its influence everywhere, with no more Pisces-age influences other than as historical relics. I cannot see that as what is happening, since there is still a good bit of the Piscean influence everywhere.

话虽如此，....

如果水瓶座时代开始于1781年，那么至今只有238年，直到1997年还处于初始阶段。在这种情况下，现在完全处于水瓶座模式，大家应该看到它的影响无处不在，除了历史遗迹之外，双鱼座时代的影响已经无处可寻。但我并不认同，因为双鱼座的影响现在仍然无处不在。

If it began in 1844, 1890 or 1957, we are still in the shading in phase, and you should see some influence of Aquarius all around you, growing more prominent year by year, while the Piscean influence should be weakening. This is the way it appears to me, as I look around me, talk to people, read the news, and explore the internet. I don't know which date is closest to correct, but it appears to me that Aquarius is a growing influence and the world.

如果水瓶座时代开始于1844年，1890年或1957年，我们仍处于初始阶段，你应该能看到水瓶座对身边事物的影响，一年比一年明显，而双鱼座的影响应该在减弱。当我环顾四周，与人交谈，阅读新闻，网络冲浪时，这就是我所看到的。我也不知道哪个日期最接近正确，但在我看来，水瓶座的影响力越来越大了。

So I don't believe the Age of Aquarius 'happened' (past tense), but rather, we are experiencing the early days of this age now. And if you pay attention, I think you too will see signs of the future-oriented, scientific-exploring, shattering of illusions Aquarius changing the world wherever you turn.

所以我不相信水瓶座时代“已经结束”(过去时)，相反，我们现在正在经历这个时代的早期阶段。如果你注意观察的话，我想你也会看到水瓶座面向未来、科学探索、幻想破灭的迹象，无论你走到哪里，水瓶座都在改变世界。

Victoria Sol

What does the age of Aquarius bring for twin flames?

This is the time for women to rise! We are equal but different to men. This is our time to own that and enjoy that.

No more feeling sorry for ourselves. No more taking a back seat in business or politics. We will understand our strengths and gifts and use them for the betterment of the world.

It means loving ourselves completely and truly. It means healing the traumas of the world. It means a better world. One where there is peace and freedom.

The world will no longer go round for money, it will go round for love.

水瓶座的时代为双生火焰带来了什么?

现在是女性崛起的时代！我们和男人相互平等，但又不同。这是我们拥有和享受的时刻。

不再为自己感到难过。不再屈居商业或政治的次要地位。我们会了解自己的优势和天赋，并利用它们来改善世界。

这意味着我们全心全意地爱自己，意味着治愈世界的创伤，意味着一个更美好的世界，一片和平和自由的土地。

世界不再为金钱而转，世界将为爱而转。

Charles Jameson

Is there any legitimate source that proves we are in the Age of Aquarius?

We are not in the Age of Aquarius.

It isn’t for about another 500 years.

The constellation the Sun rises in at the Vernal Equinox defines the Ages. Currently it is about 7 degrees Pisces, or 23 degrees behind the 0 degrees Aries that Tropical (seasonal) western astrology uses.

Precession moves the sidereal (precessed) zodiac about 1 degree every 72 years. So 7 degrees x 72 years = 504 years.

So despite the high hopes of 60s hippies we’re not there yet. :-)

有任何靠谱来源证明我们正处于水瓶座时代吗?

我们并不在水瓶座时代。

再过500年也不是。

春分时太阳升起的星座决定星座时代。目前它大约是双鱼座7度，或者说比热带地区(季节性)西方占星术使用的白羊座0度低23度。

岁差每72年使黄道带移动1度左右。7度x 72年= 504年。

所以，尽管60年代的嬉皮士对水瓶座时代翘首期盼，但目前还没到。

A.A. Miles

If Western civilisation is thought to have started with the Greeks, why is it that Greece is not typically included in lists of Western nations?

Greece's status as the cradle of Western civilization and an integral part of the Western world in the political, cultural, and economic spheres has led to it being nearly always classified as belonging not to Eastern, but Southern or Western Europe.

Show us where Greece is not included in lists of Western nations.

Since the fall of the iron curtain the following countries are generally accepted as the Western world: the United States, Canada; the countries of the European Union plus the UK, Norway, Iceland and Switzerland; Australia and New Zealand.

如果人们认为西方文明起源于希腊，那么希腊为什么没有被列入西方国家的名单呢？

希腊是西方文明的摇篮，在政治、文化和经济领域都是西方世界不可分割的一部分，这使其被划入南欧或西欧，而非东欧。

你来举例说说，希腊怎么没被列入西方国家名单了。

铁幕倒塌后，被普遍认为归属西方世界的国家有：美国、加拿大；欧盟国家加上英国、挪威、冰岛和瑞士；澳大利亚和新西兰。

Alexander Duncan

When does the Age of Aquarius start?

The “age of Aquarius” is the result of axal precession, defined as the gradual shift in the orientation of the earth’s axs of rotation, similar to the wobble in a spng top. This is conventionally referred to as the precession of the equinoxes. The equinoxes move westward continuously against the apparent direction of the sun along the ecliptic, relative to the stars. Hipparchus is credited with the discovery of precession in 127 BCE, although the Indian text, Vedanga Jyotisha, may refer to precession as early as 700 BCE. The rate of precession varies slightly (it is currently increasing), but the currently accepted average is 50.287 arc seconds per year (one degree per 71.589 years). One degree per 71.589 years gives a precession of 30 degrees per 2,147.672 years. Often this is represented “symbolically” as one degree per 72 years, and defines the duration of an “astrological age” of 2,160 years.

水瓶座时代何时开始？

“水瓶座时代”是岁差的结果，也就是地球旋转轴方向的逐渐移动，类似于旋转陀螺的摆动。传统上称之为昼夜平分点岁差。相对于恒星而言，昼夜平分点沿着黄道沿着太阳的视风向不断地向西移动。世人认为希帕克斯在公元前127年发现岁差，但印度文献《吠檀加周提沙》可能在公元前700年就提到了岁差这一概念。岁差速率略有变化(目前在增加)，但目前公认的平均值是每年50.287角秒(每71.589年一度)。岁差每71.589年转动1度，每2147.672年则转动30度。通常被表述为每72年一度，所以“占星时代”的持续时间为2160年。

Je Kaire

Since it is quite obvious that world power is going to shift in Asia (India and China), does this mean that history will be shedding its imperialistic biases and narratives? Will ancient civilizations get their due credit, which has been denied by the dominant Western races for so long?

Individual human beings, regardless of cultural heritage, tend to be motivated by identical emotions and lusts for success, fame, power, riches and greed. They also tend to distrust and fear other people remote from them in familial relationship, tribal relationship, appearance, behavior and language; considering their own group to be superior and others inferior.

世界权力很明显将转移到亚洲(印度和中国)，这是否意味着历史将摆脱帝国主义的偏见和记录？古代文明能重拾应有的荣誉吗？它们已经被占称霸的西方种族忽视太久了。

每个人，不论文化背景如何，都被对成功、名誉、权力、财富和贪婪的相同情感和欲望所驱使。他们在家庭关系、部落关系、外貌、行为、语言等方面也更容易不信任、惧怕跟自己差别很大的人；人们往往认为自己所在的族群更为优越，高于其他族群。

This is unlikely to change in any major way absent eons of slow development.

Histories of all human societies suggest that although some developed in ways which countered these individual traits with social recognition and prestige for humility, generosity and altruism, the roots of all societies reveal the identical individual traits as others.

None of this will change simply because people in different geographical regions or cultures acquire more or less power in world affairs.

如果没有经过亿万年的缓慢演变，这种情况不太可能发生大的变化。

人类社会的历史表明，尽管有些社会能做到以社会认可、谦逊、慷慨和利他主义来对抗这些个人特质，但所有社会的根源都揭示了与其他社会相同的个人特质。

这一切都不会因为来自不同地区或文化背景的人在国际事务中获得多少权力而发生改变。