I used to be pro-Ukraine but now I’m coming around to Russia's point of view. This war could be over if Ukraine gave the Donbass to Russia as a buffer zone. Does anyone agree?

我之前是支持乌克兰的，但现在我开始认可俄罗斯了。如果乌克兰把顿巴斯作为缓冲区交给俄罗斯，这场战争可能就结束了。你们同意吗？

以下是Quora网友的评论：

Alan Mehew

Prior to 2014, you might have found a few who agreed with your view.

However, now Russia has taken the Donbass region by force, just about everyone outside Putin’s shrinking circle knows that he simply can’t be allowed to succeed. To do so would set an awful precedent.

Out of curiosity, for a moment assuming you are not a Russian troll, what caused you to “come round” to Russia’s point of view?

如果是2014年之前，可能会有人同意你的看法。

但现在俄罗斯已经用武力强占了顿巴斯地区，越来越多人都清楚，他不可能成功。否则将开创一个可怕的先例。

我有点好奇，如果你不是一个俄罗斯喷子，那到底是什么让你“转而支持”俄罗斯的观点呢？

Brian Cox

It theory it sounds good but will it stop there? Look at Russias history, If Ukraine concedes any ground to Putin will wait a few years then start another land grab. There wasn’t a big fight over Crimea, with that in mind putin started to arm paramilitary militias in Donbass and Luhansk. Creating a civil war which has turned into his excuse for invading Ukraine which should he succeed will end up an invasion on of Moldova and so it goes on. Ukraine has to stop Putin in his tracks. Putin has to learn he doesn’t get to have what he wants by violence. Donbass is nothing more than an excuse don’t be fooled.

理论上没毛病，但会就此收手吗？看看俄罗斯的历史，如果乌克兰做出让步，几年后恐怕又将开始新一轮的土地掠夺。克里米亚冲突并没有爆发大型战争，所以普京开始武装顿巴斯和卢甘斯克的民兵。制造一场内战，由此作为他出兵乌克兰的借口，如果他成功了，将以入侵摩尔多瓦为终点。乌克兰必须阻止普京的行动。普京必须明白，他不能通过暴力抢夺想要的东西。顿巴斯只是个借口，别被骗了。

Diana Lugova

Ukraine already gave their nukes back to Russia in exchange for security guarantee. It didn’t work well, did it?

Russia doesn’t understand good will or peaceful coexstence, Putin wants to dominate and rule, if not the world then all former Russian Empire lands.

No one threaten Russia. No one! They invented this image of external enemy as collected West who envy Russia’s rich resources and land and are dreaming of getting those resources.

乌克兰已经把核武器归还俄罗斯来换取安全保障。但效果并不太好，对吧？

俄罗斯不懂得什么是善意回应、和平共处，普京想要的是主宰和统治，就算无法统治全世界，起码也要统治前俄罗斯帝国的所有领土。

并没有人威胁俄罗斯。没有人！他们自己假想出了一个外敌，那就是眼红俄罗斯丰富资源和土地，想要攫取资源的西方国家。

Hans-Ingo Radatz

The war could equally be over if Russia left Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia and Kaliningrad and began to organise the payment of reparations. Ww might even return to buying their gas and oil then.

如果俄罗斯离开乌克兰、摩尔多瓦、格鲁吉亚和加里宁格勒，并开始筹集赔款，这场战争也可能会结束。那样的话，世界各国甚至可能会重新购买他们的天然气和石油。

Maff Forsyth

Give me your house and I won't beat you to a pulp. You can live in the shed, but i might take that aswell. Don't you agree? Once russia has donbas, they will need the next area as a new buffer since donbas isntt a buffer, its now russia.

把你的房子给我，我就放你一马。你可以住在棚子里，但我可能也会收走你的棚子。你有意见？一旦俄罗斯拿下顿巴斯，他们就会向下一个地区动手，把它当做新的缓冲区，因为顿巴斯现在已经属于俄罗斯，不再是缓冲区了。

Philip Justice

Russia is also upset with the USA sending weapons to Ukraine.I think if the USA gave Russia the state of Alaska that would be fair.

俄罗斯对美国向乌克兰输送武器、支持乌克兰也十分不满。要我看，如果美国把阿拉斯加州划给俄罗斯，那倒是不错。

Sambaji Rao

Are you for real?

Would you be willing to give Alaska, which was once part of Russia, back to Russia as a buffer and a way to curb any aggression they have towards the US?

There are international laws. Russia has broken them. Russia needs to retreat from all areas it currently has occupied within the internationally recognized Ukrainian borders.

Remember that the only nations supporting Russia in Ukraine are Iran and North Korea. The mindset of his supporters should you give you a good idea of the mentality of Putin.

你是认真的吗？

你愿意把曾属于俄罗斯的阿拉斯加归还给俄罗斯，作为缓冲区来遏制他们对美国的侵略吗？

我们是有国际法的。但俄罗斯违反了国际法。俄罗斯应当从目前国际公认的乌克兰边界内的所有地区撤军。

记住，在乌克兰问题上支持俄罗斯的国家只有伊朗和朝鲜。你们通过俄罗斯支持者的心态，应该能让看清普京的心态。

Benedict Miller

Ok, let me see if I have the gist of this… if your neighbor raises chickens and steals several swaths of your property from you under the guise that he needed it to protect his chickens and then starts raising chickens in it as well, what stops him from stealing more to protect the new chickens in the area he stole the first time?

好吧，让我试试看我理解地对不对……如果你的邻居养了一群鸡，并以保护鸡为幌子侵占了你的地来，又养了一群鸡，要怎么阻止他继续占地来保护新养的那群鸡呢？

Russia stole the areas of Ukraine by moving in Russians so they could actively try to take the land from Ukraine. So, if your buffer idea of Russia taking it to protect Russia and Russians is examined for a moment, you’d realize that Russia filled those areas with Russians and are seeking to annex them outright into Russia, which would mean they too need buffer zones in a never-ending cycle. Why would anyone be stupid enough to think that appeasing them would not just lead to them continuing to do it since that is how they have operated for centuries to begin with? In fact, if you bothered to open a history book, you’d know that was what Hitler did in regard to take this bit of land or country and it will be enough until we need this other bit of land or country. Here is a hint for you, he didn’t stop doing it, he continued doing it until countries fought to stop it.

俄罗斯让俄罗斯人迁徙到乌克兰地区，这样他们就可以试着抢占乌克兰的领土。所以，如果你的缓冲想法是让俄罗斯抢占这片土地来保护俄罗斯和俄罗斯人，你会发现俄罗斯在这些地区都安置了俄罗斯人，想把这些地区都并入俄罗斯，这也就意味着他们跟这些地区同样需要缓冲区，这是一个永无止境的循环。

为什么有人会愚蠢到认为这种安抚行为能让他们终止几个世纪前就开始的行径呢？事实上，如果你花点时间查看以下历史书，你就会知道希特勒在抢占这片土地和国家时都干了啥。我可以稍微透露一下，他并没有收手，最后各国奋力抗争才结束这一切。

Monty

It's a very complicated answer. With some historical context, one can see both points of view. When the Soviet Union fell in the 90s, there was an agreement that NATO wouldn't move Eastward, but as old satellite states began to become more westernized, it seemed inevitable that it would happen. Russia wants a barrier between the west and their borders. Plain and simple. The west wants to keep Russian influence within their borders, these goals simply do not align, therefore compromise is unlikely, and conflict is deemed necessary.

这个问题很复杂。在某一历史背景下，这两种观点都有道理。当苏联在90年代解体时，各国达成了一项协议，即北约不会东扩，但随着旧的卫星国越来越向西方国家靠拢，这种东扩似乎已不可避免。俄罗斯希望在西方国家和他们的边境之间设置一道屏障。简单明了。西方则希望将俄罗斯的影响力控制在其境内，这些目标相互冲突，不太可能妥协，人们认为双方的冲突无法避免。

Let's speculate how the US would respond if suddenly Quebec wanted to become a Russian territory. Democratic elections are held, and despite having public support, the pro-american nominee loses and foul play is apparent as several, Russian political leaders and oligarchal leaders have massive influence in the area, both financially and politically. It is suspected that the elections were tampered with by the US, and the pro American population begs for intervention of any kind.

我们可以合理推测一下，如果魁北克突然想并入俄罗斯，美国会作何反应。魁北克会举行民 主选举，尽管有公众的支持，亲美提名者还是失败了，俄罗斯政治领导人和寡头领导人在该地区有巨大的经济和政治影响力。于是有人怀疑选举受到了美国的干预，而亲美民众则要求任何形式的干预。

This mirrors the events of 2014 in Ukraine. While the country has historically been abused and under subjugation of their Russian neighbor, there are areas (such as Crimea) that support Russian rule. Russians believe Ukraine rightfully belongs to them, but was fine with the independent state being a buffer zone between the west as long as they remain neutral. NATO influence has nonetheless been apparent in the country as elected officials supported by foreign governments. Russia views their actions as justified, NATO views this as aggression. In a way, both are wrong and both are right.

这跟2014年的乌克兰事件如出一辙。虽然这个国家历史上一直被邻国俄罗斯欺负、征服，但也有一些地区(如克里米亚)支持俄罗斯的统治。俄罗斯人认为乌克兰理所当然地属于他们，但只要他们保持中立，就让这个独立国家作为俄罗斯和西方之间的缓冲区也没有问题。但是北约在乌克兰的影响力还是显而易见的，因为这些民选官员得到了外国政府的支持。俄罗斯认为他们的行动是正当的，而北约认为这是侵略。在某种程度上，双方的观点都是错的，但又都没错。

Without western aid, Ukraine would have fallen long ago, however the more support the west provides, the more tense the situation becomes. Time will tell if it becomes worse, but blindly supporting either side is not the answer, as civilians caught in the crossfire are being misplaced and dying everyday. Compromise must be reached, as another world war will be disastrous for everyone. The US hasn't won a war since Korea, and even then, it was a ceasefire. The Cold War is alive and well still. The mutually assured destruction will come in the form of economic sanctions as China has become a massive superpower, militarily and economically.

如果没有西方的援助，乌克兰早就沦陷了，但西方提供的支持越多，局势就越紧张。时间能证明情况会不会越来越糟，但盲目支持任何一方都非解决之道，因为战争中每天都有平民死亡。双方必须达成妥协，一场新的世界大战对每个人都是灾难。自朝鲜战争以来，美国从未打赢过一场战争，朝鲜战争也是以美国停火作为结束。冷战的阴影从未消散。中国在军事和经济上已然跃升为超级大国，将通过经济制裁的形式玉石俱焚。

Basically, it's a shitshow.

基本上，这就是一场闹剧。

Ilya Kuzmin

No, I actually disagree. The war could be over while it was just Civil War (from April 2014 to February 2022), and Ukriane didn’t even have to give Donbas to Russia! Donbas wanted Independence, but back then Russia was trying to reintegrate Donbas back into Ukraine! Putin’s administration was refusing to recognize their Independence, and it changed only after Russian Parliament voted for it in 2022.

不，我不同意。如果只是内战(2014年4月到2022年2月)，战争早就打完了，乌克兰甚至都无需把顿巴斯交给俄罗斯！顿巴斯想要独立，但当时俄罗斯是想把顿巴斯重新纳入乌克兰的！普京政府拒绝承认他们的独立，直到2022年俄罗斯议会投票通过后才有所改变。

If Ukrainian regime would have agree to just talk with Separatists and would give them autonomy like Russia gives autonomy to Russian federal subjects, Donbas would still be part of Ukraine and war would be over.

如果乌克兰政权同意与分裂分子谈判，给予他们自治权，就像俄罗斯给予俄罗斯联邦臣民自治权一样，顿巴斯仍将是乌克兰的领土，战争也已经停火。

Anton Korzh

Yea exactly, would Ukraine honor Minsk agreements, they would have only lost 1 region(Crimea) and never had any war.

would they signed peace in March 2022, they would have have lost 3 regions(crimea and donbass and lugansk).

would they sign peace today they would loose 5 regions now.

Next opportunity would be likely last and would be loosing 8 regions, but we will see

是的没错，如果乌克兰遵守明斯克协议，他们只会失去一个地区(克里米亚)，不会陷入战火。

如果他们在2022年3月签署和平协议，他们会失去3个地区(克里米亚、顿巴斯和卢甘斯克)。

但如果他们现在签署和平协议，将会失去5个地区。

下一个机会可能也是最后的机会，他们可能会失去8个地区，我们拭目以待。

Johnathan M. Franks

Really? Then perhaps you should give me half of your estate and properties to buffer a war against you. That sounds like a fair deal doesn't it?

And while you're busy worrying about the fight, I'll take another 8th of your property and annex it in my name.

But let's not stop there… I'll go after your family and their properties also.

Because, after all — I'm just a friendly neighbor looking out for your best interests.

真的吗？那么也许你应该把一半的土地和财产给我，缓冲一下我对你发起的战争。这听起来很公平，对吧？

趁你忙着打仗，我再拿走你八分之一的财产，归在我名下。

事情还没完，我还要盯着你的家人和他们的财产。

因为，毕竟，我只是一个为你着想的好邻居。

Kenneth Payne

No. Want to understand Russia read “ The Modern World” by Paul Johnson. His history of how Russia got to where is now is one of the best available even though he wrote it in the 80’s. The pattern for Putin and the socio-political State of today explains the invasions not just of Ukraine but the others before it.

不。想了解俄罗斯，可以读一读保罗·约翰逊的《现代世界》。尽管他是在80年代写的，但他关于俄罗斯的历史如何发展的论述依然是最出色的。不仅解释了对乌克兰的入侵，也解释了此前俄罗斯对其他国家的入侵。

As to a “ buffer zone” what a con. Which other sovereign lands with borders to Russia are then going to be required for the same shameless reasoning? With modern armaments and nuclear weapons I think such attempted justifications for a land grab and power play are laughable.

至于“缓冲区”，真就是个骗局。那么，还有哪些与俄罗斯接壤的主权领土会因为同样无耻的理由而面临这种要求？在拥有现代武器和核武器的情况下，这种试图为争夺领土和权力游戏辩护的理由是十分可笑的。

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