Why are South Koreans and Chinese usually taller than the Japanese?
为什么韩国人和中国人通常都比日本人高?
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Tiffany Cheng
Koreans are taller because they are genetically close to the Northern Asian nomadic tribes such as Mongols, Manchus, etc. who often have taller stature.
韩国人个子比较高,是因为他们的基因与蒙古人、满族人等北亚高个子游牧民族的基因相近。
Chinese from the Northern area of China are taller because they are genetically mixed with the Northern nomadic tribes especially Mongols and Manchus who often have taller stature, then there are also Chinese who are of Northern nomadic ancestry which could be found at the Northern area of China. Chinese from the Southern area of China on the other hand are shorter because they are genetically mixed with Southern tribes who often have shorter stature.
中国北方人个头更高,因为他们在基因上与北方游牧部落相融合,特别是蒙古人和满族人,这些民族往往身材更为高大,还有一些中国人拥有北方游牧民族的血统。而中国南方人较矮,因为他们在基因上与南方部落相融合,后者通常身材较矮。
Some Japanese are of Jomon tribe ancestry and there are also Japanese who are of mix Jomon-Yayoi tribes ancestry, Jomon tribe people often have shorter stature. On the other hand, Japanese of Yayoi tribe ancestry could be pretty tall because Yayoi people are also quite genetically close to Northern Asian tribes.
有些日本人拥有绳纹部落的血统,还有些日本人是绳纹和弥生部落的后代,绳纹部落的人通常身材较为矮小。另一方面,拥有弥生氏族血统的日本人可能个子较高,因为弥生氏族在基因上跟北亚部落非常接近。
Glas Miro Jr.
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Is it true that Koreans are genetically taller and bigger than the Japanese?
Yes. The average differential is about 4cm for both genders which is about an entire standard deviation.
问题:韩国人在基因上真的比日本人高大吗?
是的。两国男女的平均身高差约为4厘米。
Height of Koreans was noted even in 19th century anthropology.
19世纪的人类学文件中对韩国人的身高也有记载。
Feng ian
Chinese isn’t a good comparison because China has 56 ethnic groups (including Korean) as well as a huge internal diversity within the largest ethnic group Han. Comparing Chinese with Japanese, Korean is like comparing European with British or Ukrainian.
中国人是不适合作为比较对象的,因为中国有56个民族(包括朝鲜族),即便是在人口最多的汉族族内,身高差异也非常大。把中国人和日本人、韩国人拿来作比较,就像把欧洲人和英国人或乌克兰人拿来作比较一样。
Vivian Chen
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Considering the Japanese average height is closer to South East Asians than Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians, are Japanese considered as South East Asians?
Height has nothing do with being Southeast Asian or East Asian or whatever.
Your statement is not totally correct anyway. Young Japanese men are slightly taller than young Mongolian men on average. Young Mongolian women are taller than young Japanese women though. I wonder if its a beauty standard in Japan for the women to be short so they practise more caloric restriction (eating less).
问题:比起中国人、韩国人、蒙古人,日本人的平均身高更接近东南亚人,那么日本人也属于东南亚人吗?
身高跟是不是东南亚人或其他族群并没有什么关系。
你的说法也不完全正确。日本年轻男性的平均身高略高于蒙古年轻男性。但蒙古年轻女性比日本年轻女性高。我想知道日本是不是以身材小巧为美,所以姑娘们对热量摄入的限制更严格一些(减少食量)。
Apart from living standards and diet, there is a correlation between height and the prehistoric populations these groups draw their ancestry from. The more Yellow River ancestry the East Asian population has, the taller they are. This is because the Yellow River had the tallest ancient populations in East Eurasia, especially from the freak ass tall Shandong Longshan culture who are taller than even modern Shandong people. This might be because northern China is very flat so having longer limbs makes it easier to move around.
除了生活水平和饮食之外,身高和这些族群的史前种群血统也有关联。东亚人的黄河血统越多,身高就越高。这是因为黄河流域拥有欧亚大陆东部个头最高的古代基因,特别是源于山东龙山文明的人高马大的族群,他们甚至比现代山东人还要更高。这可能是因为中国北方的地势非常平坦,所以四肢较长的人活动范围更大。
Meanwhile having more ancestry from the Amur River (associated with Siberia/North Asia) and Yangtze River (associated with southern China/Southeast Asia), makes the population shorter. So it’s not true that the “more northern you are, the taller you are” like a lot of people seem to believe. Or that the northern Han Chinese are somehow taller due to Mongolian genetic inputs, because that would in reality have the opposite effect on the northern Han. Besides, there was actually more Chinese-related gene flow into the Mongolian gene pool than the other way around and that’s probably why Inner Mongolians are taller than Mongolians proper.
与此同时,源于阿穆尔河(与西伯利亚/北亚有关)和长江(与中国南部/东南亚有关)的血统越多,后代就越矮。所以,很多人认为“越往北越高”,这个说法并不准确。也许是融合了蒙古人的基因,北方汉族的身高更高。此外,事实上中国的基因流入蒙古人基因库的情况更多,这可能也是内蒙古人比蒙古人高的原因。
Yamato Japanese people are most closely related to Koreans out of the mainland Asian populations but there is a pretty evident height gap between the two because Japanese people have much more Jomon ancestry. The Jomon were genetically heterogenous groups of divergent Basal East Eurasian people, and Jomon people were very short. Okinawa has the shortest heights out of any Japanese prefecture because Ryukyuans are the closest related ethnic group to Yamato Japanese but have a lot more (southern) Jomon ancestry than Yamato Japanese do.
在亚洲大陆人口中,日本人与韩国人的关系最密切,但两者之间有相当明显的身高差距,因为日本人拥有更多的绳纹血统。绳纹人和欧亚东部人种是具有不同遗传基因的族群,绳纹人非常矮。冲绳人是日本人中身高最矮的,因为琉球人是与大和人关系最近的民族,但比大和人拥有更多的绳文血统。
Yong Jian-Yi
They are all within the region of 170+cm for males and 160cm for females. South Koreans edge out both Japanese and Chinese for tallest males at +5cm and females at +3cm. There is not any appreciable differences at all. Historically though, the Japanese were called ‘dwarfs’ by the Chinese. This has reasons more to do with diet than any genetic differences.
这些国家的男性都在170厘米以上,女性都在160厘米左右。韩国人的身高微微超过日本人和中国人,男性175厘米,女性163厘米,其实并没有什么明显的差别。历史上,中国人称日本人“小日本”。这跟饮食有关,而非基因差异。
Vivian Chen
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Why are Chinese taller and more pale than Japanese?
If we just count younger generations then the Chinese are definitely taller than the Japanese on average but I don’t know if they’re “paler”. Japanese people have a range of skin tones and Chinese people have an even greater range.
为什么中国人比日本人更高、更白?
如果我们只比较年轻一代,那么中国人的平均身高肯定比日本人高,但我不知道他们是否“更白”。日本人的肤色范围很广,而中国人的肤色范围就更广了。
Northern Han are usually lighter than Japanese, southern Han are usually darker (unless we’re including Ryukyuans in this discussion), and then a bunch of middling Han populations can have a similar skin tone to the Japanese. If we add in ethnic minorities then we have groups that are much lighter skinned (like Russians and other West Eurasian related groups) or much darker (like Wa and other Austroasiatics).
北方汉族人的肤色通常比日本人浅,南方汉族人通常肤色较深(除非我们把琉球人也算进来),其他汉族人可能跟日本人的肤色无异。如果我们算上少数族群,那么还有肤色很白的族群(如俄罗斯人和其他西欧亚人)或肤色很深的族群(如佤族和其他南亚人)。
Donald Werve
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Do Chinese and Koreans tend to be taller than the Japanese?
Yeah. Look at old WWII photos.
The Japanese soldiers are shorter than the people they perpetrated war crimes upon.
See them compared to the Indonesian prisoners?
问题:中国人和韩国人一般都比日本人高吗?
是的。看看二战时期的老照片。
日本士兵比他们犯下战争罪行的对象还要矮。
看到他们和印尼囚犯的对比了吗?
Or how thech and Korean comfort women are the same height. With some women taller than the Japanese men.
他们跟慰安妇的身高差不多。有些女人甚至比日本男人还高。
The average Japanese man in WWII was 5′3″. The women were around 4′10″. Decades later, you started to see 5′6″ women after the war. With some men getting to the 6 foot range.
二战中日本男性的平均身高是5英尺3英寸(161cm)。这些女性的身高约为4 英尺 10英寸(147cm)。几十年后,女子的身高达到了5英尺6英寸(170cm)。有些男子身高达到了六英尺(182cm)。
Coincidentally the surviving children of the comfort women grew up. Adding their genepool to Japan. Those were the lucky ones who weren't murdered by their rapacious fathers. But only a DNA test would show results. Japan had an isolationist policy for centuries. A sudden jump to 25% to 50% non Japanese DNA is clear as day.
慰安妇生下的孩子们也长大了。他们的基因也融进了日本的基因库。那些幸运的孩子没有被无恶不作的父亲杀掉。但只有通过DNA测试才能看出结果。日本几个世纪来一直孤立排外。非日本人的DNA突然从25%跃至50%,结果一览无遗。
I understand the Japanese don't like bringing up their dirty laundry. That they do everything in their power to portray themselves as friendly and peaceful people. Remember this the next time you're in Japan. You're a foreign barbarian to them. They only tolerate you since you're spending money.
我明白日本人不喜欢谈及他们不堪的历史。他们费尽心思把自己描绘成友好和平的民族。下次你去日本的时候,务必要记住这一点。对他们来说,你就是外来的野蛮人。他们只是因为你在日本消费,所以才容忍着你。
I have heaps more respect for the Germans. They admitted to their dark past and broke free of it. The Japanese? Sweep it under the rug and deny. Saying all the photos were Photoshopped. That all they did in WWII was try and develop the economies of their neighbors and spread the language/culture.
我更尊重德国人。他们承认了自己的历史罪恶,并冲破了藩篱。日本呢?他们只会掩盖事实,否认事实。辩称所有的照片都是ps过的。他们在二战期间的所作所为都是为了努力发展邻国的经济,传播语言/文化而已。
Sorry to be an ass about this. But I had a heated argument with a Japanese lady on Quora earlier. Where she didn't like the fact Korean guys and white dudes are quite popular in Japan. She pulled a Karen move on me. She reminded me of my ex wife. Who prefered false honor and saving face over the truth. Along with all the people who reminded me I'm a dirty foreigner.
So here is a lethal dose of the truth. Up to 30 million deaths? No remorse or apologies. Then they glorify these deeds at the Yasukuni shrine. Those aren't heroes!
很抱歉我说了这些大实话。但我之前在Quora上和一位日本女士激烈争论过。她不喜欢韩国男子和白人男子在日本很受欢迎的事实。她让我想起了我的前妻。她们喜欢的是虚荣和面子,而非事实。还有些人总是一直让我觉得自己是个恶心的外国人。
我来告诉你们一个要命的真相。他们导致了多达3000万人丧命?却从未悔恨,从未道歉。相反,他们还在靖国神社颂扬这些行为。那些人算什么英雄!
Michael Wright
Well, there are some who say it is because of “Island Dwarfism”.
Smaller animals need fewer resources to survive and reproduce. That's important on islands, where resources are more limited than on continents/mainland.
However, that condition is change for human when globalisation happen since resources are not limited on the island that they live anymore. Japanese actually growing taller than their ancestors in recent century because of that.
嗯,有些人说这是因为“岛屿侏儒症”。
体型较小的动物需要较少的资源就能生存和繁殖。这对岛屿的生态环境来说很重要,因为岛屿上的资源要比大陆上更加有限。
但在全球化的背景下,这些条件对人类来说发生了变化,因为自然资源早已不再局限于他们生活的岛屿了。所以最近几个世纪以来,日本人的身高比他们的祖先高了。
James Yi
Probably genetic reasons.
The Japanese also sit on their knees but then Koreans sit cross-legged.
Another thing to think about is the climate. People living in colder climate seems to be taller. Cold climate prohibits adequate farming. Hence the necessity to hunt. Having a larger stature is favorable when it comes to hunting.
可能是遗传原因。
日本人跪着坐,但韩国人盘腿坐。
还有一件事需要考虑,那就是气候。生活在寒冷气候中的人似乎更高些。寒冷的气候使人类无法耕作出充足的食物,所以必须进行狩猎。而狩猎时,高大的身材是个有利条件。