中国两会：过去5年，中国的基础研究支出翻了一番

China doubles spending on basic research over past 5 year

过去5年，中国的基础研究支出翻了一番

China doubled its spending on basic research over the past five years, Premier said as he delivered a government work report to the opening meeting of the first session of the 14th National People's Congress in Beiing on Sunday.

The country fully implemented the innovation-driven strategy and improved and upgraded the industrial structure during the period, according to the premier.

"We promoted development of the real economy through innovation, continued to foster new drivers of growth and effectively countered external attempts to suppress and contain China's development,"

3月5日，中国总理在北京向第十四届全国人民代表大会第一次会议开幕式发表政府工作报告时表示，过去五年，中国基础研究方面的支出增加了一倍。

总理表示，在此期间，中国全面实施创新驱动战略，改善和升级了产业结构。

他表示：“我们通过创新促进实体经济发展，继续培育新的增长动力，有效应对外部压制和遏制中国发展的企图。”。

以下是各国网民的评论：

catonpillow

'China doubled its spending on basic research over the past five years' Keep innovating Сhina, never stop! Also, stay laser focused on develo your home-grown front-end and back-end semiconductor manufacturing with a focus on lithography and on the RISC-V design. Make sure those subjects are included into the curriculum and that you invest heavily in the sector's R&D. This is the only way for you to achieve complete independence in the semiconductor field which will practically make you fully sanctions and tech banning proof.

在过去五年中，中国在基础研究方面的支出翻了一番。

不断创新，永不停止！此外，大力自主研发前端和后端半导体制造，专注于光刻和RISC-V设计。

确保这些课程都纳入学校课程中，并且在该行业的研发上投入了大量资金。

这是中国在半导体领域实现完全独立的唯一途径，以后就不怕被制裁了。

catonpillow

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. YouTube has censored your reply though. There are now words which you are no longer allowed to use(you have to modify them/use other words to trick the algorithm).

希望事情不会这样发展下去。

YouTube已经审查了你的回复。现在有一些单词不再允许你使用（你必须修改，使用其他单词来欺骗算法蒙混过去）。

Nicolau Poceiro

I was wondering the same thing. How is China's chip industry doing? I also think chips should be China's #1 priority. I think China should be able to make its completely own 12nm chips, including the machines and software to make them, by the end of the year. It may be legacy for the Dutch monopolist, but for China it would be very important to be able to build as many chip factories as necessary without importing any machines. 12nm is enough for most scenarios.

Simultaneously, China should of course catch up with the most advanced lithography. I think China should skip various nm nodes and head straight for the 3nm node by 2025.

Once China has its completely independent chip industry, China will see a huge boom, it will feel like someone takes the shackles from a slave. Freedom from racist and ideological bullying and economic warfare.

我也在想这个问题。中国的芯片产业，发展得怎么样？

我也认为发展芯片应该是中国的第一要务。

我认为，到今年年底，中国应该能够制造出完全国产的12nm芯片，包括制造这些芯片的机器和软件。

这可能是荷兰垄断者淘汰的，但对中国来说，能够在不进口国外机器的情况下造出尽可能多的芯片工厂，意义是重要的。对于大多数应用，12纳米就足够了。

同时，中国当然应该赶上最先进的光刻技术。我认为中国应该跳过各种纳米制程，在2025年前直奔3nm制程。

一旦中国拥有了完全独立自主的芯片产业，中国将迎来一场空前的繁荣，就像有人把身上的枷锁卸掉。不用受种族主义和意识形态欺凌，不再怕经济战。

catonpillow

@Nicolau Poceiro It takes time Nicolau. 3 nm by 2025 is impossible. Maybe they have a chance to do that toward the end of the decade. If they manage to produce indigenous EUV machines. Which is a tall order on itself. They'll get there. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
The focus at the moment is on the 28 nm production since that's by far the most used node(and will be for at least several more years) and covers most of the chips requirement(cars, IoT, automation, home appliances etc.).
They are otherwise ahead in the memory chips production. On par with South Korea basically.

Nicolau啊，这个过程需要时间。到2025年，3纳米是不可能搞出来的。也许他们有机会在本十年底能搞出来。如果他们能够生产国产EUV机器的话，这本身就是一项艰巨的任务。他们会成功的。希望能尽快完成。

目前的重点是28nm芯片的生产，这是迄今为止使用最多的芯片（至少还要几年），并涵盖了大多数芯片需求（汽车、物联网、自动化、家用电器等）。

在其他方面，他们在存储芯片生产方面处于领先地位。基本上与韩国持平

Nicolau Poceiro

@catonpillow Oh, I thought they might get there faster because I read that Huawei filed a lot of patents for EUV technology last year.
There is also a lithography company in Shanghai that is making good progress.

Do you think 7nm is possible by 2025?

I think single-digit nm chips are important to be present in the gadget world, including smart phones.

It's absurd that the 5G leader Huawei can't make a domestic 5G smartphone

我原以为他们可能会很快成功的，我有看到报道说华为去年申请了大量EUV技术专利。

上海也有一家光刻机公司正取得良好进展。

你认为到2025年7纳米芯片，中国能生产得出来吗？

我认为10纳米以下芯片在包括智能手机在内的电子产品世界中发挥着举足轻重的作用。

5G领导者华为却生产不出5G智能手机，这很荒谬

catonpillow

@Nicolau Poceiro Yes, I know everything Nicolau. The process itself is slow due to its complexty. You have many different components, from software, through lasers, etching, optics etc. So it just takes time to manufacture, assemble, test and eventually mass produce everything.

They are already on 7 nm. The node should enter mass production by 2025. The U$ cannot ban the DUV machines which are already there. And they have enough of them.

About 90% of all the chips needed today are covered by the 28 nm node. And like I said that's not going to change in the next several year. Сhina has the time on its side.

Huawei 5G problem is already resolved. That wasn't a node issue, they just needed a certain RF chip which Сhina is now able to produce on its own.

是的，我什么都知道。芯片生产太复杂了，发展过程举步维艰。有很多不同的组件，从软件到激光、蚀刻、光学等，所以制造、组装、测试和最终大规模生产，这一切都需要时间。

中国已经在开发7纳米芯片。这个制程的芯片应该在2025年前进入批量生产。美国不能禁止已经存在的DUV机器。

目前所需的芯片中，28纳米芯片可以满足90%的需求。正如我所说，这在未来几年内不会改变。中国有充足的时间。

华为5G问题已经解决。这不是制程问题，他们只需要一个射频芯片，而中国现在能够自行生产这个芯片了。

Nicolau Poceiro

@catonpillow Just read a new article on the chip war on Sputnik, ‘Whole Nation Strategy’: Beiing Calls for ‘Key Tech Breakthroughs’ Amid China-US Chip Race.

刚刚读了一篇关于人造卫星芯片战争的文章，《举国战略》：北京呼吁在中美芯片竞赛中实现“关键技术突破”。

catonpillow

But like I said, don't place too much hope for a quick resolve of the matter. The process is slow and complex, there are no shortcuts.

我说过，不要指望问题能快速解决。这个过程缓慢而复杂，没有捷径可走。

Nicolau Poceiro

Well, I do think that China might simply find new ways of solving lithography problems, that skip the long evolution the Dutch have undergone. Especially since they develop their own system, so they are not bound to anything. They don't have to build their solution around other people's components. In that case they could not skip steps.

好吧，我的确认为，中国可能找到解决光刻问题的新方法，跳过荷兰经历的漫长发展过程。特别是他们开发了自己的系统，不受任何约束。他们不必围绕他人的组件构建解决方案。

catonpillow

@Nicolau Poceiro Again - there are no shortcuts. You need several firms to work on the different components of the machine. And do that synchronously. And none of those should fail. Otherwise it will bog down the progress of the rest. Long story short, you won't see an EUV machine from Сhina in the next several years. But like I said, that's not that big of a deal since there's still room for growth in the sector, just the margins will be lower, that's all. Сhina will be slowed initially, that's inevitable, but it will catch up and reap the benefits of an indigenous production in the long term.

同样，没有捷径可走。你需要几家公司，处理机器的不同部件。并同步执行。这些都不应该失败。长话短说，在未来几年里，你看不到中国的EUV机器的。

但正如我所说，这并不是什么大事，该行业仍有增长空间，只是利润率会更低，仅此而已。

中国经济最初将放缓，这是不可避免的，但从长远来看，他们将迎头赶上，从国产化中获益。

Urim Tefiki

Doubles the spending in research and development. Seems that scientist have decent life.

将研究和开发支出增加一倍。看来科学家过着体面的生活。

Grandson of Sky Blue Eye's

Eliminating the inaccuracies
Narrow the scope of accuracy
Distance and Distinction
Well done

消除不准确之处

缩小精度范围

做得好