为什么韩国人认为孔子是韩国人

Why do Koreans think that Confucius is Korean?

为什么韩国人认为孔子是韩国人？

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Do Koreans honestly believe that Confucius was Korean?

Of all the Korean people I have met in my entire life, whether it be friends, family, coworkers, acquaintances, etc, I have never met a Korean person who believed that Confucius was Korean.

韩国人真的相信孔子是韩国人吗？

我这辈子遇到过的所有韩国人中，无论是朋友、家人、同事还是熟人，没有一个人相信孔子是韩国人。

I am sure some Korean ultranationalists have said it but I have also never seen a Korean ultranationalist in real life nor have I ever seen an internet post by a Korean ultranationalist or even a troll post that Confucius was Korean.

I believe that a lot of anti-Korean Chinese people are jum on a nonexsting wagon.

我相信有一些韩国极端民族主义者说过这种话，但我在现实生活中从未遇到过这种极端民族主义者，也从未在互联网上看到过韩国极端民族主义者发布的帖子，甚至也从没看到过说孔子是韩国人的钓鱼贴。

我认为很多中国人因为反韩情绪所以一叶障目了。

Katsu Kameda

Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius was Korean? Who are the main proponents of this claim?

This was actually started by a group of silly Japanese… to incite Chinese to hate Koreans.

为什么中国人相信韩国人说过孔子是韩国人？到底是谁在支持这个说法？

这个说法其实是一群愚蠢的日本人发布的，目的就是要煽动中国人仇视韩国人。

Bryan Cheron

Do Koreans honestly believe that Confucius was Korean?

I’ve never met a single person who, when the subject came up, didn’t know that Confucius was from what is today the People’s Republic of China.

Your question suggests that a lot of Koreans believe Confucius was Korean. I have to wonder what kind of Koreans you’re meeting, because I didn’t meet any throughout my twelve years there.

韩国人真的相信孔子是韩国人吗？

我跟别人谈到这个话题时，谁都知道孔子来自今天的中华人民共和国。

你的问题暗示说很多韩国人认为孔子是韩国人。我很好奇你遇到的都是些什么样的韩国人，因为我在韩国呆了12年，从未遇到过这种人。

Michael L. Best

Do Koreans honestly believe that Confucius was Korean?

No, Koreans, by and large, do not believe that Confucius was Korean, ethnically or otherwise. The first time I heard this claim (the claim actually being made by Chinese netizens that “Koreans call Confucius Korean”), I asked my wife where Confucius was from. After a bit of puzzlement about why I even asked the question, her reply was along the lines of “he’s Chinese, of course,” as if I were an idiot. I’ve even checked with my wife’s nephews in Korea, just out of curiosity, and their schools teach that Confucius was Chinese. They weren’t even aware of this idea that “some” say Confucius was Korean. So no, Koreans do not believe this claim nor is it endorsed in Korean’s school curriculums. Maybe it’s time to put this this claim that “Korean’s claim” to bed already.

韩国人真的相信孔子是韩国人吗？

不是这样的，大多数韩国人都不相信孔子是韩国人。我第一次听到这种说法(其实是中国网民提出“韩国人称孔子为韩国人”这个说法)的时候，我问我妻子孔子是哪儿人。她对我提这个问题觉得有些无语，然后回答我“孔子当然是中国人”，好像我是个白痴一样。出于好奇，我也问过我妻子在韩国的侄子，他们的学校都说孔子是中国人。他们甚至都不知道“有人”说孔子是韩国人这件事。所以，韩国人并不相信这种说法，韩国的学校课程也没有这么宣传。大家该把这个"韩国人的主张"抛到脑后了。

Lei Sun

Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius was Korean? Who are the main proponents of this claim?

I think Jesse Yang and inghong Cai’s answers covered it quite well. But there is something else I must point out.

为什么中国人相信韩国人说过孔子是韩国人？谁是这种说法的主要支持者？

我认为Jesse Yang和inghong Cai的回答很好地回答了这个问题。但我还必须指出一件事。

I agree that to a large extent this belief that “Koreans claim they invented everything” was blown out of proportion on the Chinese internet. But what cemented this perception for most Chinese was a minor incident during the 2007 Asian Winter Games. During the competition that was held in Changchun, China, a group of South Korean athletes held signs during the award ceremony stating “Mount Baektu is our territory”. This led to Chinese sports officials filing a protest to IOC and Korean authorities were forced to respond. Mount Baektu is the highest mountain of the Changbai Mountain Range or 长白山 to the Chinese. Baektu itself stands on the border of China and North Korea with each country controlling about half of it. But if you talk about Changbai Mountain in China, people would say it stands firmly on Chinese territory. Furthermore, even though the English name of Baektu is Korean, it is also internationally accepted that half of this mountain, along with its lake at the peak, belongs to China. By putting up those signs, the South Korean athletes undoubtedly claimed that a certain piece of land under Chinese rule should be Korean.

我同意，在很大程度上，类似“韩国人声称韩国发明了一切”的观点在中国互联网上被夸大了。但让大多数中国人更加坚定这种看法的是2007年亚洲冬季运动会期间发生的一件小事。

在中国长春举行的比赛中，一群韩国运动员在颁奖仪式上举着“白头山是韩国领土”的牌子。中国体育官员立刻向国际奥委会提出抗议，韩国当局被迫做出回应。

白头山是长白山脉的最高峰，中国人称其为长白山。白头山本身位于中朝边境，中朝两国各自控制着大约一半的土地。但如果你说到中国的长白山，人们会说它屹立在中国领土上。

此外，白头山的英文名虽然是朝鲜语，但国际社会都承认白头山的一半和山顶的湖泊都属于中国领土。韩国运动员举这些牌子无疑是在宣称中国辖下的某块土地属于韩国。

This incident didn’t really create that huge of a friction between China and South Korea (at least compared to THAAD) and people quickly forgot it. But it was nevertheless unfortunate in the way that to the general public in China it basically solidified the impression of “Koreans would claim everything Chinese, from land to cultural figures, as theirs”.

这一事件并没有在中韩之间造成巨大摩擦(至少与部署萨德相比)，人们很快就忘了。但不幸的是，对于中国公众来说，这只会强化他们对“韩国人会把中国的一切，从土地到文化人物，都据为己有”的印象。

Christian Dahl

Do Koreans honestly believe that Confucius was Korean?

There’s Koreans that will go on for HOURS about the crazy people in japan claiming that Kimchi is of Japanese origin..

韩国人真的相信孔子是韩国人吗？

有些韩国人会喋喋不休地抱怨日本的疯子声称泡菜源自日本。

Just as much as that is not accurate of the general population of Japan, neither is the idea that Koreans think Confucius is Korean. His philosophy was named the state religion during the Jeoseon period, however, nobody in their right mind in Korea claims Confucianism is of Korean origin.

就像日本大众认为这个说法并不准确一样，韩国人也认为孔子是韩国人的想法是不对的。在朝鲜时代，孔子学说被定为国教，但在韩国，但凡头脑稍微正常的人都不会认为儒家思想源于韩国。

I’m sure this is a thing some Chinese or Japanese use to ridicule the Koreans, because they have a case of one or two people saying it. Just like the claim that the Japanese think Kimchi was Japanese. While it’s true a couple people might say it, it’s not the popular opinion by far.

我相信，也许一两个韩国人确实说过这种鬼话，所以有些中国人或日本人借此来嘲笑韩国人。这就像有人会说日本人认为泡菜源于日本一样。虽然有些人可能会这么说，但到目前为止并不是韩国社会的普遍观点。

Alexander H. Stebner

Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius was Korean? Who are the main proponents of this claim?

Originally Answered: Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius is Korean?

Well, a former (Chinese) girlfriend told me this to be the reason why she doesn't like Koreans. Which to me seems and seemed kind of ridiculous.

为什么中国人相信韩国人说过孔子是韩国人？谁是这种说法的主要支持者？

嗯，我的前中国女友跟我说过，这就是她不喜欢韩国人的原因。但在我看来这似乎有些荒谬。

Knowing quite a lot of Koreans now, I can assure anyone, that none of them thinks Confucius is Korean.

During research for a paper on East Asian internet racism, I found the claim that some Japanese right-wing netizen apparently spread this rumor, in order to ruin Korea's reputation. How true that is, remains to be proven. It is however quite widespread already.

现在我认识了很多韩国人，我可以向任何人保证，他们都不认为孔子是韩国人。

我在研究东亚网络种族主义的论文时，发现了一些日本右翼网民为了破坏韩国声誉而散布过这种谣言的说法。虽然真伪还有待证明，但已经传播很广了。

Eli Garrido

Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius was Korean? Who are the main proponents of this claim?

Originally Answered: Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius is Korean?

Hoax, nationalism, anti-Korean sentiment or pure misinformation.

为什么中国人相信韩国人说孔子是韩国人？谁是这种说法的主要支持者？

恶作剧、民族主义、反韩情绪，抑或纯粹就是个误会。

In the 5 years I’ve lived in Korea I never found a Korean (educated or not) making such a ridiculous claim about Confucious. However many people coming from China (Chinese or not) tend to believe that Koreans claim it. Most of them hear about it in Chinese media, forums or from Chinese friends, never from Koreans sources.

我在韩国住了5年，期间从未听过哪个韩国人(不管受过教育与否)对孔夫子发表过如此荒谬的言论。可是很多来自中国的人(中国人或非中国人)都愿意相信韩国人说过这种话。他们中的大多数人是从中国媒体、论坛或朋友那儿道听途说而来的，并没有真的听韩国人说过这话。

However, the same thing happens in Korea when it comes to Japan

For example: Korean media and Government keep stating that History textbooks in Japan whitewash their crimes during WWII. As a result many Koreans are extremely upset about Japanese History textbooks. This is also fabricated, since 99% of Japanese History textbooks are balanced, as a study by Daniel Sneider at Stanford's Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center shows

但是，韩国也发生过诸如此类的事关日本的事。

例如：韩国媒体和政府一直声称，日本的历史教科书粉饰了日本在二战期间的罪行。因此，很多韩国人对日本的历史教科书非常不满。斯坦福大学肖伦斯坦亚太研究中心的丹尼尔·斯奈德的一项研究表明，这也是捏造的，因为99%的日本历史教科书还是符合史实的。

Lin Zexu

Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius was Korean? Who are the main proponents of this claim?

为什么中国人相信韩国人说孔子是韩国人？谁是这种说法的主要支持者？

Jasper Lee’s answer was based on a totally wrong assumption that the “夷(Barbarians)” defined in the book written in Han Dynasty (which was about 600 years after Confucius was born) had something to do with the State of Lu (鲁国) and the State of Qi (齐国) which was the hometown of Confucius. I believe the territory of Lu鲁国 and Qi齐国 in ia Dynasty which was founded 1500 years before Confucius was born might be considered as 东夷 (Eastern Barbarians), but in later Shang Dynasty and obviously Zhou Dynasty, these places had already been occupied by Huaxa feudal lords and Huaxa people. Both State of Lu鲁国 and State of Qi齐国 were essentially feudal lords under the leader (天子 Son of Heaven) of Zhou Dynasty. So they were all 100% pure Huaxa. And the Sochen 东夷 (肃慎) recorded in Han Dynasty’s documents were from JiLin and Hei-Long-jiang AKA Northeast China nowadays which is about 1000 kilometers from Confucius’s hometown. So I don’t understand what his point is. Those archaeological materials mentioned in his answer have not been investigated properly to make a serious conclusion by the historians. I think they will but even so those are not relevant with the era of Confucius (Zhou Dynasty).

Jasper Lee的回答完全基于一个错误的前提，即汉代(孔子出生后约600年)文献中的“夷(野蛮人)”与鲁国和孔子的故乡齐国有关联。

我相信，在建立于孔子出生前1500年的夏朝，鲁国和齐国的领土可能被称为东夷(东方野蛮人)，但在后来的商朝，尤其是周朝，鲁国和齐国的领土已经被华夏封建领主和华夏人占领了。

鲁国和齐国都是周朝皇帝(天子)的封地。所以它们都是100%纯正的华夏领土。汉代文献记载的东夷肃慎来自吉林和黑龙江，也就是今天的中国东北，和孔子的家乡大约距离1000公里。

所以我看不明白他的意思。他回答中提到的那些考古材料，历史学家们还没有进行过妥善的调查，无法得出严肃的结论。我认为历史学家早晚会搞清楚，但肯定和孔子(周朝)的时代无关。

What’s the point then? Saying Confucius was a 东夷 is like saying Donald Trump is possibly an Indian because Mr Trump’s ancestors in Germany might come from Spain which was probably under control of Muslim Arabic kingdoms before Reconquista and the Muslim people “looked like” the Indians/Pakistanis.

那有什么意义呢？说孔子是东夷人，就像说唐纳德·特朗普有可能是印度人，因为特朗普的德国祖先可能来自西班牙，西班牙在收复失地运动之前可能处在阿拉伯msl王国控制下，msl人“看起来很像”印度人/巴基斯坦人。

It seems that his conclusion is based on a false assumption which is based on many other false assumptions with irrelevant arguments and unclear evidence. Apparently, he doesn’t understand the Chinese text in his answer. There are too many flaws and I didn’t even know where to start.

他的这个结论似乎是基于某个错误的假设，而这个错误的假设又基于其他很多错误的假设，这些错误的假设没有相关的论点，也没有明确的证据。很显然，他其实看不懂答案中的汉字内容。他的错漏太多了，我都无从下手。

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为什么韩国人认为孔子是韩国人

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