Why does China have a permanent seat in the UN Security Council although they did little during WW2, but Australia, Canada, New Zealand who contributed a lot are not given seats?

为什么中国在二战中贡献不大，却获得了安理会常任理事国的席位，而贡献很大的澳大利亚、加拿大、新西兰却没能获得席位？

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Tak-On Ko

You are ignorant to say China did little in WWII. You are also arrogant to imply that WWII is fought only in Europe. China fought Japanese invasion vigorously and more than 10 million life were dedicated to that. The battle in China fighting the Jap was even bigger then the battle in Europe.

你说中国在二战中没有贡献，未免也太无知了。你还试图暗示二战只爆发在欧洲的土地上。中国人民为了抵抗日本入侵浴血奋战，有1000多万人为此献出了生命。在中国的土地进行的抗日战争，规模远大于欧洲战场。

Caycie McBee

why there is so many foolish question on quora?

Australia, canada, new zealand do nothing on world politics, how foolish people can ask this foolish question, did not you know history?

为什么Quora上会出现这么多愚蠢的问题？

澳大利亚、加拿大、新西兰对世界政坛无所作为，能提出这个愚蠢问题的人得有多无知呀，你对历史一无所知吗？

Yauming

WW2 started off when Japan invaded China in the 1930s, begng with the annexation of Manchuria in 1931.

Guess who supplied Japan with the oil it needed to carry on its war of aggression in Japan?

America. America supplied 90% of Japan's fuel. Even after the massacre at Nanking in 1938 when the Japanese Army murdered 100,000 civilians who had surrendered, America still kept on supplying fuel to Japan.

第二次世界大战始于上世纪30年代日本侵华战争，1931年日本吞并中国的满洲里。

猜猜是谁给日本提供了侵略战争需要的石油？

是美国。美国为日本供应了90%的燃料。甚至在1938年日本军队制造南京大屠杀，残杀了10万名投降的平民后，美国还继续向日本供应燃料。

During this period guess who supplied the iron ore to Japan to build bombs, tanks, warships - Australia.

China lost over 10 million people in the war with Japan.

So before people criticise China, they should realise the West (America/Australia etc) were partly culpable too.

Most of Japan's army was fighting in China when war ended.

Only in 1941, America decide that it should do something and decided to stop making a profit selling oil to Japan.

That’s when Japan attacked America in retaliation in December 7, 1941.

侵华战争期间，猜猜谁向日本提供了铁矿石来制造炸弹、坦克和军舰—是澳大利亚。

在抗日战争中，中国有1000多万人丧生。

所以你们在批评中国前应该先弄清楚，西方(美国/澳大利亚等)也背负着部分责任。

战争结束时，大部分日本军队都还在中国作战。

直到1941年，美国才决定采取行动，停止向日本出售石油。

1941年12月7日，日本对美国发动报复袭击。

America and Australia choose to support Japan even though it was engaged in a war of against China.

This is an awful fact. It took them awhile to realise it wasn’t such a good idea - maybe because they themselves were colonial nations born out of genocidal war.

History is full of absurd ironies. One thing is certain, we cannot progress with our eyes fixed on the past. But at the same time, not acknowledging and learning the mistakes of the past will condemn us to repeat them til we perish.

即便日本发动了对中国的战争，美国和澳大利亚还是选择支持日本。

这是一个可怕的事实。他们过了挺长时间才意识到不妥——也许是因为他们自己就是殖民国家。

历史充满了荒谬的讽刺。但有一件事是肯定的，我们不能紧盯着过去往前进。可同时，如果不承认过去的错误、不吸取历史的教训，我们就会重蹈覆辙，直到走向灭亡。

Alex Wong

China did little? By 1945, 5,700,000 nationalists (including regional warlords) and 1,200,000 co unists were participating in the Second Sino-Japanese War. 3,000,000 to 3,750,000+ in the Chinese military sacrificed their lives, while a total of 20,000,000, including civilians and military personnels, died in the war. China was the first Allied Power to fight against an enemy, and before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in Hawaii in 1941, China had been fighting against Japan on its own without any foreign assistance for 4 years. In total, China had resisted the Japanese for 8 years, and people in Manchuria (Northeast China) had to endure 14 years of sufferings. That’s not ‘little’.

中国没有贡献？截止1945年，共有570万国民党官兵(包括地方军阀)及120万员参加了第二次中日战争，中国军队牺牲了300万-375万士兵，加上平民和军队后勤人员在内共计有2000万人在抗日战争中丧生。中国是对抗敌人的第一个同盟国，在1941年日本偷袭夏威夷珍珠港之前，中国就已经在没有任何外援的情况下独力抗日4年了。中国的抗日战争持续了8年之久，东北人民更是忍受了长达14年的苦难。这种贡献还“小”吗？

Andrew James Wright

I’m Canadian so this isn’t meant to disrespect Canada.

China, despite being divided, backwards and not a great power in WW2 was historically a great power and it is obvious that she would continue to be so eventually.

i think it’s insulting to say China did nothing when she fought for 8 years 1937–45 which was more than Britain, America, Russia and Canada and others. She also held down most Japanese divisions in the war.

我是加拿大人，所以我不是不尊重加拿大。

中国，尽管分裂、落后，在二战中算不上大国，但在历史上曾经也是一个大国，很明显，中国最终还会重归大国行列。

我认为你所谓的中国在1937-1945年的8年抗日战争中无所作为的说法，简直就是一种侮辱，中国的贡献比英国、美国、俄罗斯、加拿大和其他国家都要多。中国还在战争中牵制了日本的大部分兵力。

China took at least 10 millions deaths and potentially 20 million or more. The sheer warcrimes, excesses, and humiliation China had to take versus Canada’s 45,000 deaths of the other dominions is not even comparable.

Again I’m not disrespecting Canada or dominions but China has usually been a great power, is currently one, and giving her a seat makes sense even if she wasn’t powerful in WW2.

Just look at today, China overwhelms Canada and the dominions in power, money, soldiers, etc.

中国牺牲了至少1000万人，实际数据甚至可能达到或超过2000万。中国所遭受的惨无人道的战争罪行、暴行和羞辱，是加拿大4.5万人的惨烈牺牲也无法相提并论的。

再说一次，我并非不尊重加拿大，但中国在历史上长期保持大国地位，目前也是一个大国，中国拥有席位是非常合理的，就算她在二战期间并不强大也不影响。

看看现在，中国在实力、财力、兵力等方面都胜过了加拿大。

Christopher Westburry

I think the contributions in WW II should be totally irrelevant in the modern day, so I'd consider the idea of arguing a UNSC seat with contributions in WW II as baseless, though China did contribute alot at least against Japan and thus against the axs powers. Get out of your western-focused mind if you are asking global questions, the far-east was part of the war either.

我认为各国在第二次世界大战中的贡献和现代秩序完全无关，所以我认为用各国在二战中的贡献来争辩联合国安理会的席位归属是毫无根据的，尽管中国确实做出了很多贡献，至少中国做出了对抗日本的贡献，从而做出了对抗轴心国的贡献。如果你想提出全球性问题，请丢掉你那套以西方为中心的思维模式，远东战场也是二战的一部分。

Now, I'd prefer arguing the seats by the following:

USA: largest economy, strongest military, leading NATO member

Russia: Former Soviet Union's dominating member, still with a strong military and large influence

China: large army, large economy, world's largest population

UK: former empire, member of the largest and possibly richest economic block (EU), member of the Commonwealth (though its relevance is quite in doubt nowadays)

France: former empire, EU's strongest army, founding and key member of the EU

现在，我想通过以下内容来讨论一下安理会的席位：

美国：全球最大的经济体，最强的军事力量，北约成员国的领袖

俄罗斯：前苏联的主要成员国，至今仍拥有强大的军事力量和巨大的影响力

中国：拥有庞大的军队，大型的经济体以及世界上最多的人口

英国：昔日帝国，最大、可能也是最富有的经济团体(欧盟)的成员国，还是英联邦的成员国法国：昔日帝国，拥有欧盟最强大的军队，欧盟的创始国和重要成员国

I could understand people disputing about e.g. the UK especially once they left the EU, but disputing about China? Seriously?

It's only natural for China to be represented in such an important Council for China’s relevance today is undeniable. But whatever happened between the 30s and 40s is totally irrelevant IMO. I live today and work for tomorrow after all.

我可以理解人们对安理会席位归属的争议，比如英国，特别是英国脱欧，但人们居然对中国获得席位也有意见？你们是认真的吗？

在这样一个重要的委员会中，中国占据一席之位是非常自然的事，因为中国在当今世界的重要性是无可争辩的。但在我看来，30-40年代发生的事情已经只是历史罢了。我活在当下，为明天而奋斗。

Notabene: Yes, the seats were assigned among so called “great powers that were victors of the WW II” back then, though if that was the actual criterion, I think that France would have deserved the seat way less than China.

Remember France during WW II? A country that had lost its government and capital, a country that has de facto used Algiers to govern as Paris wasn’t part of France anymore and there was no government left in France, so I wouldn't dare to call France a major Victor of WWII to begin with.

是的，当时的席位是分配给“二战战胜国”的，但如果真的按照这个标准，我认为法国本该比中国更配得上这个席位的。

还记得二战期间的法国吗？法国成了一个失去了政府和首都的国家，巴黎不再是法国的一部分，法国政府也彻底消失，所以我不敢说法国是二战的主要战胜国。

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to disrespect France and their resistance against the Nazis here though, just stating that France was actually maybe even THE major loser among all allied powers during WW II, but no one's questioning their seat, right? So questioning China's position is even more baseless in that regard.

不要误会我的意思，我并非不尊重法国和法国人民对抗纳粹的努力，我只是觉得法国其实可能是二战期间所有同盟国中最大的输家，但没有人质疑他们的地位，对吧？所以质疑中国的立场就更没有根据了。

Stephen Caldwell

Please read some history before you ask a question like this. Japan invaded China in 1937, four years before Pearl Harbor. The Chinese in effect ended a Civil War between the Nationalists and the Co unists in order to unite and fight Japan. Read about flying the ”Hump” to get supplies into China. Read about Claire Chennault and his “Flying Tigers”. Read about the Rape of Nanking. Read about how the Chinese tied down 600,000 Japanese troops and then wonder what would have happened if China had surrendered in 1938 and Japan could have used these troops in the Pacific and/or Southeast Asia. Could they have taken India? Check out: Forgotten ally? China's unsung role in World War II - CNN

I found this resource after a search that took a minute.

在你提出这种问题之前，请先读一点历史文献吧。日本在1937年入侵中国，比珍珠港事件还早四年。中国暂停了内战，团结一致抗击日本。你去读一读“驼峰航线”向中国运送物资的文章吧。读一读克莱尔·陈纳德和他的“飞虎队”。读一读南京大屠杀的报道。你就会知道中国人民是如何牵制了60万日本军队的，然后想一想如果中国在1938年投降，这支日本军队会在太平洋和/或东南亚干些什么。他们会不会攻占印度？请看：被遗忘的盟友？中国在第二次世界大战中被埋没的作用

我花了区区一分钟就找到了这份资料。

Effweye Young

Chinese casualties (military and civilian) were only second to that of the Soviet Union. From 1937 until 1941, a weakened China fended off an considerably more industrialized (and heavily militarized) Japan. This was already after a six year localized war in Manchuria, which started in 1931.

At considerable costs in territory, resources and human lives, China collectively bogged down 80% of the Japanese war machine, largely all on its own until the Americans entered the war.

中国人的伤亡(军方和平民)仅次于苏联。从1937年到1941年，国力衰弱的中国成功抗击了工业化程度更高(以及高度军事化)的日本。而在6年前的1931年，中国满洲里地区就已经爆发了长达六年的局部战争。

在付出了相当大的领土、资源和生命代价后，中国人民团结一致，在美国最终参战前基本上依靠一己之力沉重打击了日本80%的兵力。

The Japanese high command confidently boasted that it would take the IJA no more than three months to defeat China, only to find itself heavily bogged down, right up to the point of Japan’s defeat and ultimate surrender. In the final tally, 70% of Japanese casualties were sustained fighting in China.

Regardless of one’s political inclinations, China DESERVED a seat among the victors in the post-war order.

日本最高统帅部曾自信地吹嘘说，日本帝国陆军可以在三个月内打败中国，结果发现日本陷入了严重的困境，最终战败投降。

不论一个人的政治倾向如何，中国作为战胜国在战后的世界秩序中获得席位，都是毫无争议的。

Raisal Singh Ven

This question is pathetic. Canada? MAYBE it even comes CLOSE to the contributions of China. Australia? Not even CLOSE. New Zealand? What’s that? Never heard of it?

I would go on a rant about what an absolute idiot you are but I don’t wanna get BNBR’ed, just know this, I am seething with rage at the stupidity of the question. Some research, dude!

这个问题实在很可悲。加拿大？也许加拿大的贡献和中国差得还不算多。澳大利亚？简直天差地别。至于新西兰？新西兰算哪根葱？二战期间压根没听说过吧？

我想冲你大发雷霆，让你知道自己是个彻头彻尾的笨蛋，但我不想挨骂，你记住，我对你这个愚蠢的问题非常愤慨。动动手指研究一下再提问吧，兄弟！

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