How can India become a permanent member of the Security Council?  Why Jaishankar said it was because China prevented India from becoming a permanent member of the UN Security Council?  Jaishankar was originally a diplomat who could think normally.

印度怎样才能成为安理会常任理事国？为什么苏杰生说中国阻止印度入常？

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China - World Leader.

How?

The answer is simple, but not the one some “stupid” person to “comprehend”.

The power and the money is (not misty) the ruler of the human world. How can India become a permanent whatever? The answer is it has to win a war during the World War III WWIII), if which would start but I hope not. Without WWIII, it does not have any chance, because that is how all those FIVE permanent members became a one after World War II.

如何入常？

答案很简单，但绝不是“愚蠢”的人能够“理解”的答案。

权力和金钱是人类世界的统治者。印度要如何成为常任理事国或其他什么的？答案是印度必须在第三次世界大战期间打赢一场战争。如果没有第三次世界大战，印度就没有任何机会，因为这正是五个常任理事国能够在第二次世界大战后成为常任理事国的原因。

Democracy, freedom, law, equality, and/or whatever, the final force to make the utmost decision is by killing, because human being do not have the ability to reach another “status” without war. We are brainwashed by the power and money which was obtained by killing to believe whatever else to rule the world in order for the cohort which has the power and money to last “forever”, until the next war to change the order of this world.

除了皿煮、自由、法律、平等等等，最有决定作用的最终力量就是杀戮，因为人类没有能力在没有战争的情况下改变“地位”。我们被通过杀戮获得的权力和金钱洗脑了，相信别的东西来统治世界，以便让拥有权力和金钱的群体可以“永远”持续下去，直到下一次战争改变这个世界的秩序。

Right now, this world experience the possible reconstruct of the world order since WWII, China is a potential challenger and the USA is the holder of the power and money with hundreds of military bases over the world. Both sides so far use the power and money to fight without major war but with military threat to each other, started by the USA. I hope China and the USA may find a way without to reform the order of the world without killing too many people.

世界面临着二战后有可能再次重建的世界秩序，中国是一个潜在的挑战者，而美国手握权力和金钱，在世界各地拥有数百个军事基地。到目前为止，双方在没有大规模战争的情况下使用权力和金钱进行竞争，但彼此之间存在军事威胁，这种威胁是美国先挑起的。我希望中国和美国能找到一种不需要造成大规模伤亡又不会动摇世界秩序的方法。

China - World Leader.

They are too naive to understand no one would grant them to take a seat.

They need a war to take the seat, not speech.

他们太天真了，不明白没有人会允许他们和自己平起平坐。

他们需要一场战争来赢得地位，光靠嘴巴是没用的。

Imtiaz Khan

Subrahamanyam Jaishankar or S.Jaishankar is the most competent and patriotic Foreign Minister, India ever had. So please never underestimate him. Whatever India achieved since 2019 is notable. Without this man Modi Ji is nothing.

If he said because of Chinese veto they can't become permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, then it's true. Because China will never allow India to become similar in rank.

苏杰生印度有史以来最称职、最爱国的外交部长，请永远都不要低估他。印度自2019年以来取得的成就令人瞩目。如果没有苏杰生，莫迪什么都不是。

如果他说是因为中国的否决权，让印度无法成为联合国安理会常任理事国，那么这就是真的。因为中国绝不允许印度在排名上靠近中国。

Muthu Kumar

First of all, UNSC should be changed in such a way that, China should NOT be in a position to block the efforts of India becoming the permanent member.

Also, China should NEVER EVER BE ALLOWED to block some of the noble efforts to call the Pakistani terrorists the terrorists. It should be changed that, only majority of the UNSC members’ vote should take precedence.

首先，联合国安理会应该进行改革，让中国不能阻止印度成为常任理事国。

此外，中国也不能阻止将巴基斯坦恐怖分子归为恐怖分子的努力。安理会必须改变规则，让多数成员说了算。

Rahim Choudhary

No useful objective is served if India becomes a permanent member. On the other hand, serious problems are created for China and other neighbors of India if India becomes a permanent member.

如果印度成为常任理事国，也无助于实现有用的目标。另一方面，如果印度成为常任理事国，就会给中国和印度的其他邻国带来严重问题。

Alex Shim

The only way India can become a permanent member of the UN Security Council is if there is World War 3 and India is a part of those victorious in the war. The UN Security Council will probably be renamed to something else by then and the renamed General Assembly be moved to a neutral location such as perhaps the ceded US island of Hawaii. However, if India is a loser in the next world war then they will become a vassal state of some other country just as how Japan lost to the Americans.

印度成为联合国安理会常任理事国的唯一途径是发生第三次世界大战，而且印度成为战胜国。等到那时，联合国安理会可能会改名，并搬到中立国，比如割让给美国的夏威夷岛。但如果印度战败，那么他们将成为其他国家的附属国，就像日本败给美国一样。

Paul Denlinger

I am convinced that joining the Security Council has become an obsession for Modi, and this brain-damaged idea got transmitted to Jaishankar since he is EAM.

When was the last time the UN did anything important and significant?

我相信加入安理会已经成了莫迪的执念了，他把这个脑残想法灌输给了苏杰生。

联合国上一次做过啥重要、有意义的事情，是什么时候了？

Patrick Chong

Answer to first question: So long as China is a member of the UNSC P5, India can dream, protest, take aggressive action against China, etc., it will remain status quo. As the saying goes, before one can be a leader, one mjst learn to become a good follower.

Answer to second question: Boss man is Narendra Modi. Jaishankar is tier 2 subordinates. Guess what subordinates do?

Answer to third question: Absolutely no idea whether Jaishankar was normal in the past and abnormal now or the reverse.

回答第一个问题：只要中国还是联合国安理会五常国之一，印度大可以做梦、抗议、对中国采取侵略行动等等，但五常国的局面不会改变。俗话说，在成为一个领导者之前，要先学会成为一个好的追随者。

第二个问题的答案：纳伦德拉·莫迪是老板，苏杰生是下属。猜猜下属能做些什么？

第三个问题的答案：我不知道苏杰生是不是以前很正常，现在不正常，或者刚好相反。

Ray Nieves

The rules of the UN state that only 5 nations can be on the permanent security council and those nations were set at the end of WWII. They are the U.S., UK, France, Russia and China. These countries were selected on the basis of their importance in ending WWII. No other countries were considered nor selected. This would include India.

Other nations can sit on the 10 member non-permanent security council for two years based on location. For the permanent number to change, there would have to be an overhaul of the UN charter.

联合国规定只有5个国家可以成为安理会常任理事国，这些国家都是二战结束时定好的：美国、英国、法国、俄罗斯和中国，是根据它们在终止第二次世界大战发挥的作用而选出来的，其他国家都不在考虑范围之内，其中就包含了印度。

其他国家可以根据所在地区在安理会的十个非常任理事国中轮流担任两年的职务。如果要改变常任理事国的数目，就必须对联合国宪章进行全面修订。

Thomas Choi

India will never be a permanent members. India will stay as a mediocre country if no cultural revolution taken place to eliminate most of the internal ridiculous issues such as Caste system you know.

印度永远不会成为常任理事国。如果印度不进行一场文化革命，消除种姓制度等荒谬的社会问题，印度只会永远平庸。

Kelvin White

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Why is China not supportive in making India a permanent member in the UN security council?

为什么中国不支持印度成为联合国安理会常任理事国？

I viewed some answers above, I felt many answers didn't get the main point.

The truth is: nobody of the 5 wants to share their rights.

Everyone of the 5 says they agree to extend the council but actually they don't. Because it will add the bargain cost.

我看了一些答案，但很多答案都没有抓住重点。

事实是：这五个国家中没有一个愿意摊薄他们的权力。

这五个国家都说他们同意扩容安理会，但实际上他们不会同意，因为这会增加交易成本。

USA government says they support Japan to get into the council because USA knows Russia and China will veto. USA says like this way to keep Japan in hand to deploy USA army.

China supports Germany to the council because China knows USA and France will veto. Guess for what interest.

USA and Russia says they support India because they know China will veto. For what interest? Weapon sales.

So now do you understand what game they are playing?

美国政府说他们支持日本进入安理会，因为美国知道俄罗斯和中国会进行否决。美国这样做说为了牵制日本，在日本驻军。

中国支持德国加入安理会，是因为中国知道美国和法国会进行否决。至于其中的利害关系，你们自己品品。

美国和俄罗斯说他们支持印度，因为他们知道中国会进行否决。为了什么呢？当然是军火销售了。

现在你明白他们在玩什么把戏了吧？

Amit Sanghvi

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Can India become a permanent member at United Nations Security Council without China and Russia's support?

如果没有中国和俄罗斯的支持，印度能成为联合国安理会常任理事国吗？

Russia is supporting for longest period of time. China only opposing.

But how long this countries oppose a country that has one of largest army, one of largest economy, peaceful and helpful country ( remember supplying corona vaccine during Covid 19?? )

俄罗斯支持印度的时间最长。中国一贯反对。

但这些国家还能反对一个拥有全球最大的军队之一、最大的经济体之一、爱好和平、乐于助人的国家多久呢(还记得2019新冠疫情期间提供冠状病毒疫苗吗)

Zhou Wenda

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Can India become a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council in the near future?

印度能在不久的将来成为联合国安理会常任理事国吗？

There are only 2 ways to get a permanent seat in UNSC:

Be a major participant of the won side of a world war. (US, Russia, UK, France, former Republic of China)

Win wars against at least half of UNSC at the same time. (People’s Republic of China swept ROC in mainland China, pushed back US&UK+15 others in Korea, was the vital patron of Vietnam’s independence war against France in 1949–1954.)

The “veto power” and “close-door meeting in C building” do NOT come with size or population. “Large enough” is so far from “significant enough”. We Chinese learned it very well in a 110-year-long lesson during 1839–1949. Luckily or unfortunately for India, a membership of UNSC requires a proof of true power.

印度只有两种方式可以获得联合国安理会常任理事国席位：

参加世界大战中并成为主要战胜国(美国、俄罗斯、英国、法国、中国)。

同时赢得对至少一半的联合国安理会成员国的战争。(中国在朝鲜击退了美英和其他15个国家，同时还是越南1949年至1954年对抗法国的独立战争的重要庇护国。)

“否决权”和“C楼闭门会议”与国家规模或人口无关。“足够大”也跟“足够重要”相去甚远。中国人通过1839-1949年长达110年的屈辱史深深明白了这个道理。不管对印度来说是幸运还是不幸，想要获得联合国安理会的成员国的资格，就必须证明自己真正的实力。

P5 got their prestige by a great triumph which cost tons of blood from their formidable enemies and themselves. They keep that prestige by sharpening themselves day and night to keep their national power ahead of other common countries, in order to maintain such a strength that the world cannot afford to get them annoyed.

The veto right, or formaly named as “unanimity principle of the great powers”, was the basic idea of UNSC since 1945. The reason behind it is to prevent another world war. With this principle, the Big 5 don’t have to use all-out war as a method to fulfill their will, because UNSC shall never legitimate any hostile act against anyone of them, nor any action openly opposed by anyone among them. De jure, countries are equal in international politics, de facto, all decision must be made by consensus of really dominant stakeholders.

五常国通过巨大的胜利赢得了声望，为了这个胜利，他们的劲敌和他们自己都付出了大量伤亡。他们努力拼搏、日以继夜，使自己的国家实力领先于其他普通国家，他们保持实力，让世界各国都无法承担惹恼他们的后果。

否决权，正式名称为“大国一致同意原则”，是自1945年以来联合国安理会的基本理念，背后的逻辑就是要防止世界大战再次爆发。有了这一原则，联合国安理会绝不会同意针对任何国家的任何敌对行动，也不会同意任何国家公开反对的任何行动。从法律上讲，各国在国际政治中是平等的，事实上，真正占主导地位的利益攸关方必须协商一致才能做出所有的决定。

Yes, it’s privilege, it’s unfair, it deprived the tender veil in game of power, but it minimized the likelihood of armageddon.

India does not really have such power so far. She has not win in a showdown game against a real power. Her industry and technological capabilities are so far behind her landscale and population. All her potentials are still mostly potential not power. A seat in UNSC is not that “cheap”. IMO India still need to strive very long time to get a qualification. You can estimate when she will be powerful enough to shake curret international order framework, that’s the time.

是的，这是一种特权，确实不太公平，除去了权力游戏中温柔的面纱，但它也保证了世界末日可能性的最小化。

到目前为止，印度还没有这样的实力。印度没有与真正的强国决战并获胜过。印度的工业和科技水平远远落后于领土和人口规模。印度的潜力大多仍然还只是潜力，没有转化为实力。联合国安理会的席位没那么“简单”。印度还需要努力很久才能获得资格。什么时候印度强大到足以撼动当前的国际秩序框架，也就有能力争夺这个席位了。