China's Type 055 Destroyer vs Russia's 11356R Frigate & 22160

中国055型驱逐舰 vs 俄罗斯11356R和22160护卫舰

以下是Youtube网友的评论：

Wolfe351

to make a warship stealthy even the railings need to be designed with stealth in mind. If you look a detail pics of even early DDG51s the railings fold down in places and have angular stanchions rather than the simple round pipe style used on older ships. The later stealth ships take this further (like the T45) by getting rid of most of the railings and hiding anchor winches below deck

为了使军舰隐形，连栏杆的设计都要考虑到隐形。如果你看早期DDG51的细节图，会发现栏杆在一些地方向下折叠，并且有角柱，而不是旧船上使用的简单圆管样式。后来的隐形军舰在这方面更进一步(比如T45)，去掉了大部分的栏杆，在甲板下面隐藏起锚绞车。

hughmungus2760

small ships are a neglected asset, We're definately missing them for more low end battles, ie: litoral warfare. 

小型舰艇是被忽视的资产，我们在较小的战斗中需要这些，比如海战。

robertopiedimonte2078

To my knowledge LRASM is the only AShM that manage allocation to targets by themself (likely a reverse auto CEC capabilities), even re-routing to avoid air-defense systems if possible, using multi-sensors (at begining with an AESA radar to be shared on AIM-120D missile too, but now is denied on both to be installed) ESM and optical mix.

据我所知，长程反舰导弹是唯一一种自行管理目标分配(可能是反向自动CEC能力)的AShM，如果可能的话，甚至改变线路以避开防空系统，使用多传感器(开始时在AIM-120D导弹上共享AESA雷达，但现在被拒绝安装)ESM和光学混合。

djzoodude

Would love to see the CH version of a Constellation class frigate.

想看中国版的星座级护卫舰。

oldmanpearson

As I've said in your earlier version of this is this. Naval ships are never, ever unmanned.

There is ALWAYS  a skeleton crew which is capable of switching on ships self defense systems, at minimum.

就像我之前说过的那样。军舰从来都不会是无人驾驶的，总要有一个骨干船员，至少能开启军舰的自卫系统。

AceZ-le7ox

Are there any plans to make the Halifax class frigate? I am Canadian and I would like to see one of our ships represented. It could be used in combined fleet operations with NATO fleets.

Would be cool.

有没有计划建造哈利法克斯级护卫舰？我是加拿大人，我希望看到我们的军舰参与北约舰队的联合舰队作战， 会很酷的。

tonglianheng

I think it would have been more interesting to see 11356R go against 054A or 054B.  They are more comparable in class.

我认为11356R和054A或054B的对比会更有趣，它们更具可比性。

sulyokpeter3941

Can you do UK Naval Assets(4xType 45, 4xType 26) vs Russian Naval Assets(2x11356R Frigate, 2x22800 Corvette, 2x22350 Frigate, 2x20831 Corvette). So far you done UK vs China(Ships only) USA vs China(Ships only) Russia vs USA(Ships only) Russia vs China(Ships only) but never done a UK vs Russia(Ships only).

你能比较一下英国海军45型、26型和俄罗斯海军11356R型护卫舰，22800型护卫舰，22350型护卫舰，20831型护卫舰吗？到目前为止，你做过英国 vs 中国(军舰)，美国 vs 中国(军舰)，俄罗斯vs美国(军舰)，俄罗斯vs中国(军舰)，但从来没有比过英国和俄罗斯的军舰。

qartoganid5174

Can you make models of Taiwanese navy fleet ships? I really want to see how Taiwan's navy fares against one Type 055.

你能做台湾海军舰队的模型吗？我真的很想看看台湾海军如何对抗一艘055型驱逐舰。

maingwei

Lol Taiwan ‘s KIDD class would be flattened and last about 4 seconds

哈哈，台湾的基德级会被摧毁，大约4秒就会被摧毁

miauwgabriel3547

The 9M317M missile is known as the Shtil air defense system.

9M317M导弹被称为施基利防空系统。

theaxgame

Zircon does actually exst. It entered active service this year, however it will be another year until the ship they were fitted on will be out of refit. Supposedly, the rest of Russia's Destroyers and UKSK vessels will be able to fire them later on (IOC 2025)

锆石导弹确实存在，于今年进入现役，然而，要等安装它们的军舰改装好还要再过一年。据推测，俄罗斯其余的驱逐舰和UKSK舰艇将能够在晚些时候装配它们(IOC 2025)

RaV591

There’s so much footage of the patrol ships destroying the naval drones though

有很多巡逻船摧毁海军无人机的镜头

Urugami45

"I work for an insurance company."  LOL... He's the Tom Clancy of DCS Ship Design

“我在一家保险公司工作。”哈哈，他是DCS船舶设计汤姆·克兰西

athara166

Not a single of thsse 22160 was sunk in real life, they are actually doing great and they protected against all attacks. Ukraine claims to have damaged Sergey Kotov ship, but their claims without proof are as sure as their claim of taking out the admiral.

22160在现实中没有一艘沉没，它们实际上很不错，抵御了所有攻击。乌克兰声称击伤了“谢尔盖·科托夫”号，但他们没有证据

arceuslee7087

LOL those P800s are also known as Brahmos and according to some "the best in the world".

哈哈，那些P800也被称为布拉莫斯导弹，根据一些人的说法，它是“世界上最好的”导弹。

deadmeat8754

This is, perhaps, a more likely scenario than seems possible. As Russia spends a generation of its increasingly smaller pool of young people and massive amounts of equipment in Ukraine, the Russian Far east is denuded of experienced defense forces. at some point, the Peoples republic of China will make a move to reclaim asian territories stolen by the Russian Empire. The Sino-Soviet (Russian) border conflict of 1969 was the result of one such long standing territorial dispute.

由于俄罗斯在乌克兰耗费了一代本就越来越少的年轻人和大量装备，俄罗斯远东地区缺乏经验丰富的军队。在某个时候，中国将采取行动收回被俄罗斯帝国偷走的亚洲领土。1969年的中苏(俄罗斯)边境冲突就是这样一个长期领土争端的结果。

yeeeehaaawbuddy

I really wonder about China's ability in warfare.  Have they built all of their boats and planes in the same way they've built their houses?  I mean, is it all just meant to LOOK real, but actually it's cardboard surrounded by concrete that's crumbling from within?

我真的很想知道中国的作战能力。他们建造军舰和飞机的方式和他们建造房子的方式一样吗？我的意思是，这一切都是为了看起来真实，但实际上是纸板包围混凝土的豆腐渣?

44lucas

The time you wish both sides loose ...

这次希望两边都输

pjhaebe

This the one that got hit in the Black Sea a few days ago? The 11356R?

11356 R？是几天前在黑海被撞的那艘吗？

captainalex0018

Hi I am a Chinese YJ-18

And Hi I am a Russian P-800

Wait...

Why are we going in opposite direction?

嗨，我是中国的鹰击-18

嗨，我是俄罗斯的P-800

等等……

为什么我们互相攻击?

VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh

The chance of a balistic YJ21 missile hitting a moving corvette is close to 0.

鹰击-21弹道导弹击中移动中的轻型护卫舰的几率接近于0。

jaycentoret2866

nice to see some russia vs china

很高兴看到俄罗斯和中国之间的一些对比

parsimista9723

Are there any Indian ships in game?

有印度军舰参与PK吗?

factfilenews

No no. It will be really difficult for the Chinese to defend their billion dollar ships in real life. Cheap drones,Lightweight torpedoes,UUV's etc will rip it apart.

在现实生活中，中国人很难保卫他们价值数十亿美元的军舰，廉价的无人机、轻型鱼雷、无人潜航器等都可以把它们炸碎。

robertlee6529

So you're basically saying Iran can easily rip any US fleet apart.

所以你基本上等于是说伊朗可以轻易地炸毁任何美国舰队。

tonglianheng

Everything you mentioned have a range of less than 100km.  The torpedoes even less.  The missiles these large capital ships have have ranges of several hundred Kms to thousands of Kms....   And the 055 has one of the best sensor suits in the world today.   How on earth are you going to get close to them alive to fire your shots?

The times Ukraine succeeded against Russian ships were all situations in which the Russians either never expected attacks or when ships were docked at port (i.e. not on duty).  It was more of a indication of Russian negligence than capability of these systems.  They should be seen as sabotage missions than naval combat.

Even if you by miracle got within range to launch your suicide drones, do you think the CIWS which are designed to shoot down missiles flying at supersonic speeds will have any issues dealing with the slow moving drones?

你提到的所有东西的射程都小于100公里，鱼雷的射程就更短了。这些大型主力舰的导弹射程从几百公里到几千公里，055型驱逐舰拥有当今世界上最先进的传感器套装之一。你怎么可能活着接近他们然后开火?

乌克兰成功攻击俄罗斯军舰，是趁俄罗斯人没有防备的时候。更多的是因为俄罗斯的疏忽，而不是这些系统的性能很强。这种情况应该被视为破坏任务，而不是海战。

即使你奇迹般地进入了发射自杀式无人机的范围，你认为用于击落超音速导弹的近程武器系统对付不了缓慢移动的无人机吗?

@factfilenews

 @tonglianheng  Not true.

1. RUSSIAN nuclear powered torpedoes can circle the globe.

2. How many missiles can these Capital ships carry?. A land based unit can cary a hundred times that number.

4. The newest UAV's UUV's and Surface drones have hundreds of kilometers of autonomous range.

5. A late 2000 glide bomb has a range of around 150 kms.

5. The purpose of the 055 054A 052C 052D is to ensure a Zero Sum Game. It ensures China's adversaries are either sunk or left with heavy bleeding so that it prevents the enemy from ever attempting a misadventure. China knows it cannot always emerge a Victor.

@tonglianheng你说的不对。

1.俄罗斯的核动力鱼雷可以绕地球一圈。

2.这些主力舰能携带多少导弹？陆基部队可以携带这个数字的100倍。

3.最新的无人机UUV和地面无人机拥有数百公里的自主航程。

4. 2000年后期的滑翔炸弹射程约为150公里。

5. 055型、054A、052C、052D的目的是确保零和博弈，确保中国的对手要么被击沉，要么流血不止，这样它就可以防止敌人发动冒险行动。中国知道，它不可能总是胜利者。