Who is stronger, China or the United States?

中国和美国，谁更强大？

以下是Quora网友的评论：

Jonathan Stern

IF you import to China you need to pay a high tariff. You can avoid the tariff if you do a joint venture but this means forced tech transfer.

So why is it okay for China to have high tariffs on US products but wrong for the US to have high tariffs on Chinese products?

As you know China is mad that the US upped tariffs in the US on Chinese products.

Well, the tariffs will stay - FOREVER.

Sorry China doesn’t run the US and they never will.

如果你把商品出口到中国，需要支付高额的关税。如果你在中国成立合资企业可以避免关税，但必须接受技术转让。

为什么中国可以对美国产品征收高关税，而美国对中国产品征收高关税就不行呢？

正如你所知，中国对美国提高关税的行为感到愤怒。

好吧，关税将永远存在。

很抱歉，中国不可能统治美国，永远也不可能。

China ought to trade with the EU - (while they can since the EU has a huge demographic problem)

China ought to trade with BELT and ROAD countries (But they don’t have any money -> Pakistan has a per capita GDP of 2000 dollars per person)

China ought to go trade with Russia (they have a demographic problem and they don’t have money either)

Or China can go rely on domestic consumption (China has a per capita GDP of 12,800 dollars per person which is not enough to buy up all of China’s production)

中国应该和欧盟进行贸易(因为欧盟存在人口结构问题)

中国应该和一带一路国家进行贸易(但是他们没钱，巴基斯坦的人均GDP只有区区2000美元)

中国应该和俄罗斯进行贸易(他们有人口问题，而且也没钱)

或者中国可以依靠国内消费(中国人均GDP为1.28万美元，无法买光中国所有的商品)

That won’t get better as China has a demographic problem / aging society (which will mean a shortage of entrepreneurs, investors and consumers)

Soon enough China will get with a shortage of consumers both at HOME and ABROAD.

But that is Chinas problem not that of the USA

2030 is when it gets interesting for China. May China live in interesting times.

At any rate China is not going to be able to make money off the US like before (we just don’t trust them)

中国存在人口问题和老龄化社会(这意味着企业家、投资者和消费者将出现不足的情况)，局面无法逆转。

很快，中国又将面临国内外消费者不足的局面。

但这是中国的问题，不是美国的问题

2030年是对中国很有意思的时间。愿中国生活在一个有趣的时代。

无论如何，中国不可能还像以前那样赚美国的钱了(我们不信任他们)。

Now here comes more bad news for China

China won’t be able to make as much money off of Europe as they did before soon enough as well. Europe is facing demographic collapse. This means a lack of consumers (Europe also depends on exports so they will get hit by a lack of consumers both at home and abroad. (Including China)

Likewise, China won’t be able to make it with domestic consumption. China did the one-child policy.

对中国来说，现在又传来了更多坏消息

中国很快也无法再像以前那样从欧洲赚到那么多钱了。欧洲人口结构即将崩溃。这意味着欧洲会出现消费者不足(欧洲也依赖出口，因此欧洲将受到国内外消费者不足的双重打击。

同样，中国也无法依靠国内消费来实现这一目标。中国之前实行了独生子女政策。

The greatest number of entrepreneurs and consumers are people in their 20s to 40s

The greatest number of investors or people in their 40s and 50s.

It is unavoidable that China is going to have a domestic consumption shortage also with less profits from a failing Europe. AT THE SAME TIME.

Rural Chinese won’t save China. They are getting older too.

AI won’t save China since Robots don’t buy stuff

大多数企业家和消费者都是20 ~ 40多岁的人。

大多数投资者都是40~50岁的人。

中国将不可避免地出现国内消费短缺，同时欧洲经济衰退带来的利润也将同时减少。

农村人口拯救不了中国。他们也在变老。

人工智能也拯救不了中国，因为机器人不需要购物。

That China gave up the one-child policy in 2015 or 2016 won’t save China. They still aren’t having kids in China. Many of the women born under the one-child policy are too old to have kids. In addition, China still has a bride shortage and women don’t give usually give birth to twins or triplets and they never give birth to fully grown adults.

The Belt and Road is not going to save China (Pakistan has a per capita GDP of less than 2000 dollars per person)

中国在2015年或2016年叫停了独生子女政策，但这没办法拯救中国。中国还是缺孩子。许多出生于独生子女政策时期的妇女年龄已经太大了，无法生育。而且中国仍然存在性别失调的问题，女性生育双胞胎或三胞胎的概率很低，也不可能生下成年人。

一带一路也救不了中国(巴基斯坦人均GDP还不足2000美元)

Unlike China, Europe, and Japan the US does not rely on exports.

Unlike China, Europe and Japan the US has STABLE DEMOGRAPHICS)

While America has a lot of not so smart people the US can get all the engineers and scientists from India.

Furthermore

87% of the US economy is domestic

7% is trade with Canada and Mexco

3% is energy (The US has its own energy)

与中国、欧洲和日本不同，美国不依赖出口。

与中国、欧洲和日本不同，美国的人口结构稳定

虽然美国有很多不那么聪明的人，但美国可以从印度引进很多工程师和科学家。

此外

美国经济的87%来自国内

7%来自加拿大和墨西哥的贸易

3%来自能源(美国拥有自己的能源)

The US has FTAs with:

Japan

Korea

Israel

Australia

Canada (in case the US ever needs oil)

Mexco (good demographics)

and soon the UK (good actors and actresses)

美国与以下国家签订了自由贸易协定：

日本

韩国

以色列

澳大利亚

加拿大(以防美国需要石油)

墨西哥(良好的人口结构)

很快还会有英国(优秀的演员)

The US has a 25 trillion-dollar economy

The US sells 200 billion to China

The US buys 600 billion from China

THE US DOESN’T NEED China FOR ANYTHING

And to tell the truth we are going to phase out business with China. We will do business with whom we want to and that won’t be China.

美国25万亿美元的经济规模

美国向中国出口2000亿美元商品

美国从中国购买了6000亿美元商品

美国什么都不需要中国

说实话，我们将逐步停止与中国的商贸往来。我们想和谁做生意就和谁做生意，但中国不在我们的考虑范围之内。

Finally

Say you got a dumpling shop. Say you got 10% less customers and the customers are older. (older customers eat less)

Will business be better or worse?

Less individuals = less domestic consumption = less money for companies = bad economy = less money for China government = less money for China military.

最后

假设你开了一家饺子店。如果你的客户减少了10%，而且客户年龄增长了。(年纪大的顾客吃得少)

生意会更好还是更糟呢？

人口减少=国内消费需求降低=中国企业营业额降低=经济变差=中国收入减少=中国军队的预算降低。

Bob MacKenzie

China is the largest trader in the world with the largest manufacturing ability in the world. China has the largest military and largest trading groups in the world with Russia as a very close Allie with 25% of the world's known resources.

China's productive growth is also more than twice that of the US and if you deduct inflation and quantitative easing the US includes in their GDP. CHINA'S economy will also be the biggest in the world.

中国是世界上最大的贸易国，也是世界上制造能力最强的国家。中国拥有世界上最大的军事和贸易集团，俄罗斯是中国的亲密盟友，拥有世界上25%的自然资源。

如果扣除通胀和量化宽松，中国的生产性增长是美国的两倍多。中国将成为世界上最大的经济体。

Scott Lam

You need to realize that the current game between China and the United States is not a 2-players game, but a 3-players one.

Who are the 3 players?

1) The Chinese Nationalists, 2) The US Nationalists, 3) The US Globalists.

The Chinese Nationalists are the strongest among the three.

你需要认识到，目前中美之间的博弈不是两方之间的博弈，而是三方之间的博弈。

这三方分别是谁？

1)中国民族主义者，2)美国民族主义者，3)美国全球主义者。

中国民族主义者是这三个人中最强大的。

If the United States can somehow unite its two sides, then the United States is stronger than China (but not by much), however it seems very unlikely for them to reconcile due to too many reasons. And the worst thing is, the globalists and the nationalists in the US are not unified even within their own factions. The US is being divided and conquered by the Chinese Nationalists.

Does China have a Globalist faction? Yes, but they are far too weak to be relevant. It was growing rapidly before 2016, but Trump blew it up with the trade war and the Hong Kong issue.

如果美国能通过某种方式团结双方，那么美国会比中国更强大(但也不会强太多)，但由于太多的原因，他们几乎不太可能和解。最糟糕的是，美国的全球主义者和民族主义者在各自派系内部也无法统一。美国正在被中国民族主义者分裂和征服。

中国有全球主义阵营吗？是的，但它们还太弱了，无足轻重。它在2016年之前增长迅速，但特朗普通过贸易战和香港问题把它毁了。

Peter Kaye

Militarily? I would say on par, I know yanks will always say they are, but I don’t think so, a few years ago? Yes, definitely, but theses days,? Not any more, if they went to war? Neither could win, they will both be destroyed, actually in my view, the whole planet would be. Because it would definitely evolve into WW3, and the nukes will start flying.

industrially? Definitely China there is no doubt about that, simply because of numbers, and work ethics, they can build rings around the USA,

in technology? Also close on par, the USA might have a slight edge, but again it comes down to numbers, China just has so many more graduates.

so over all? I guess China gets the gold medal,

that’s the main reason why the USA is so toxc against China to try and keep them down, instead of improving themselves? They prefer to squash any competition, but this time it’s not working, their boot isn't heavy enough, and the meddlesome bug is to tough.

在军事方面？我想说，我知道美国佬总是说他们强，但我不这么认为，也许几年前确实如此，但是现在？如果他们双方开战，谁都打不赢谁，只会玉石俱焚，实际上在我看来，整个星球都会被摧毁。因为这场战争肯定会演变成第三次世界大战，核武器满天飞。

在工业方面？毫无疑问，肯定是中国更强，原因很简单，人口规模和职业道德，中国凭这两点就可以完胜美国。

在科技方面？不相上下，美国可能占据一点优势，但中国有更多的毕业生。

那么总的来说呢？我猜中国略胜一筹。

这就是美国如此忌惮中国，试图压制中国的主要原因。美国从来不允许对手的存在，但这一次，他们束手无策了。

Nexus

It’s very difficult to compare the two countries. The U.S. is still considered the most powerful country militarily, and its allies give it enormous political power. In addition, the U.S. dollars remains the most important global currency.

However, if you look at the paths the two countries have charted since WW2, it looks like China is about to go into orbit. I believe China is much stronger internally, with relatively few major social problems and a robust infrastructure. The U.S. is rotten on the inside, and its national debt alone is scary. Many people are predicting its imminent collapse.

很难对这两个国家进行比较。普遍认为美国如今还是全球军事实力最强的国家，它的盟友给了它巨大的政治权力。此外，美元仍然是最重要的全球货币。

但如果你看看两国自二战以来的发展路线图，你会发现中国即将步入正轨。我相信中国的内部实力要强大得多，社会问题相对较少，基础设施也很健全。美国的内部已经腐朽，单论美国国债就已经十分骇人了。很多人预测美国很快就要崩盘了。

John Chassin

China has lost in its 1977 invasion of Vietnam. We have yet to see China in actual combat.  That reminds one of Russia retreating behind fortifications after messing up an “easy” invasion.

中国在1977年对越自卫反击战。从那之后中国就没有参加过实战了。这让人想起俄罗斯在搞砸了一场本应易如反掌的特别军事行动后，立刻缩回到防御工事后面。

Thomas Choi

LOL, all depend on what you are talking about. In the sense of unscrupulous and vicious, USA is the strongest. In case of controlling media, concocting hoaxes, USA is the expert. In case of social instability and homeless and randomly shooting, USA is the Gold medal awards. What's else, in case of killing, invading, Intervening and sabotaging, no one can come close to USA you know.

哈哈，这都取决于你指的是哪方面。在无耻和邪恶方面，美国是当仁不让的世界第一。在控制媒体、编造骗局方面，美国也是专家。在社会动荡、流浪汉和枪支泛滥方面，美国一举夺魁。除此之外，在杀戮、入侵、干涉和破坏等方面，美国无人能及。

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