Is China's Best Destroyer THAT GOOD? The Truth...

中国最好的驱逐舰有那么好吗？真相是……

The Type 052B (NATO reporting name: Luyang-class) destroyer is a class of multi-role warships in the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). They were among the first PLAN warships to be equipped with a modern multifunction phased array radar, an essential component for the effective use of modern long-range air defense missiles. The design represents a significant improvement over previous Chinese surface combatants and incorporates many features reflecting contemporary naval architecture.

052B型(北约代号：旅洋级)驱逐舰是中国海军(PLAN)的一种多用途军舰，是首批配备现代多功能相控阵雷达的中国海军军舰之一，这是有效使用现代远程防空导弹的重要组成部分。其设计代表了对以前的中国水面战舰的显著改进，并且结合了反映当代船舶设计的许多特征。

以下是Youtube网友的评论：

slycooper9505

Would love to see a breakdown video about the large volume of ships china is producing and their capabilities.

想看关于中国正在生产大量军舰及其性能的内容

thunderK5

BTW, the land-based 'Grizzly' variant of the Buk is known as the SA-17.  It is an improvement on the Sa-11.

顺便说一句，山毛榉的陆基“灰熊”改型被称为SA-17，是对SA-11的改进。

phils4634

Well, the 52 series are actually Frigates (albeit large ones), so as a multi-role Frigate this is perfectly capable.

好吧，052系列实际上是护卫舰(尽管是大型护卫舰)，所以作为一艘多用途护卫舰，它的能力是完美的。

lwty

When these 052B destroyers were being built, the Jiangnan Shipyard was located in downtown Shanghai, just below the Lupu Bridge.

052B是在江南造船厂建造的，位于上海市中心，就在卢浦大桥下面。

dylanwight5764

I think it's fair to say two things about China's Navy these days.

1. What they've accomplished basically on their own has been extremely impressive. Well done, China, you've built a competent and robust Navy. Applause where it's due, this is not an easy accomplishment to have your name on.

2. Chinese ship designs still suffer from being inefficient, both in terms of crewing requirements and the sizes of the vessels themselves. As they become more automated, however, we've seen the size mostly staying the same with extra space being on used more for improving crew habitability than increasing the armament of facilities of the vessel.

关于中国海军，说两点：

1. 他们依靠自己的力量所取得的成就令人印象深刻。干得好，中国，你们建立了一支能干而强大的海军。该表扬的地方就得表扬，这不是一件容易的事。

2. 中国的船舶设计仍然存在效率低下的问题，无论是在船员要求方面还是在船舶本身的尺寸方面。然而，随着它们变得更加自动化，我们看到尺寸基本保持不变，额外的空间更多地用于改善船员的居住，而不是增加船上设施的武器装备。

michaeltrosenfeld

Question, there is no shaft generators on the DN80s so they can shut the diesels off when they are at sea?

问题是，DN80上没有轴式发电机，所以他们在海上时可以关掉柴油机?

jackliu239

This one and Type 054 is the awkward design between the the obsolete last gen warship and the next/current gen stealthy VLS and AESA capable ships. Thats why they only build 2, and if you go over Type 051C that is an even more awkward ship which is not really necessary whatsoever.

这艘和054型是介于上一代军舰和下一代/当代具备隐形VLS和AESA能力舰艇之间的尴尬设计。这就是为什么他们只建造2艘，如果你去看看051C型，那艘更尴尬，根本没必要造。

WindowsXP-SP3

Single rail launcher is so sexy on the ship. This is my favourate ship. It is a combination of morden and classic. The 052C and 052D look boring comparing to this one.

单轨发射装置太性感了，这是我最喜欢的军舰。它是现代与古典的结合。与这艘相比，052C和052D看起来很无聊。

Sacto43

Question to any radar nerd out there....

How come the Top Plate MR-750 looks like it's hung on crooked?  The whole radar antenna is not perpendicular to the rest of the ship and I was wondering why.  Thank you!

向雷达迷们提问：为什么Top Plate MR-750看起来像挂歪了？整个雷达天线不垂直于船的其余部分，我想知道为什么。谢谢！

usmc2002

Now I'm ready to see the type 052C

现在我准备看052C型了

NightWiz11

isn't the Type 055 packs more firepower?

055型的火力不是更强吗?

juniopradana4003

052B isn't even the best china's destroyer. That title should go to type 055. There are only like two active 052B ever built, while the rest of the destroyer force is dominated by 052D, which is a more advanced and sophisticated ship.

052B不是中国最好的驱逐舰，应该是055型。迄今为止，中国只建造了两艘现役052B型驱逐舰，而其他驱逐舰则以052D型为主，这是一种更先进、更复杂的舰艇。

quisqueyanguy120

What do you think about the new Chinese attack submarine Type 093B SSN? They just launched another one of those on Bohai Shipyard in Liaoning Province.

你怎么看中国新型093B型攻击潜艇？他们在辽宁渤海造船厂又下水一艘。

HeavenlyMandate

How do you even consider Type 052B the best Chinese destroyer? Their best destroyers are Type 052D and Type 055A, you should probably do more research. Furthermore you said 'zero covid' policy tampered with it's production, and you're very much wrong as 052B hasn't been produced for nearly 20 years now. And you can't put 052B and later variants to be in the same scale as apart from hull design they have nothing in common

你怎么会认为052B型是中国最好的驱逐舰？他们最好的驱逐舰是052D型和055A型，你应该多做研究。此外，你说因为疫情延误了生产，你大错特错，因为052B已经近20年没有生产了。你不能把052B和后来的改型归为同类，除了船体设计，它们没有任何共同之处

cmdredstrakerofshado1159

Well a ship is only as good as it crew it's training and maintenance.  In the past all three have been the major pit falls of the Chinese Navy so good ships get meh to bad results

一艘军舰的好坏取决于船员、训练和维护。在过去，这三者都是中国海军的主要败笔，所以军舰好也只会带来不好的结果

twood2032

I thought the best Chinese Destroyer is the type 055, no?

我以为中国最好的驱逐舰是055型，不是吗？

andymacmac9151

Type 730 CIWs I thought had been confirmed as stolen IP of the Dutch goal keeper CIWS system?

我以为730型CIW已经确认是窃取了荷兰“守门员”CIW系统的知识产权?

makegaminggreatagain3907

China's best destroyer is the Type-055, 8 in active service.

It's closest competitor is the Zumwalt which the U.S has 2 in active service, which have the same issues the LCS class had, they were built from aluminium.

It's not even the Type-055 the U.S has to worry about, it's their fast attack missile boats, Type-037, 67 in active service succeeded by the Type-022 which they have 82 in service.

When China launches their Type-055, Type-022's, Z-10's, DF-11's, at Taiwan and the 7th fleet (60-70ships), the U.S is done, they won't even need NK or Russia's assistance.

中国最好的驱逐舰是055型，现役8艘。

它最接近的竞争对手是朱姆沃尔特级驱逐舰，美国有2艘在役，它们和LCS级有同样的问题，都是用铝造的。

美国需要担心的甚至不是055型，而是他们的快速攻击导弹艇，037型，67艘现役，然后是022型，82艘现役。

当中国用055型、022型、直-10型、东风-11型来对付台军和第七舰队(60-70艘)，美国完蛋了，他们甚至不需要朝鲜或俄罗斯的援助。

jackliu239

Really Covid issues? China commissioned 13 Type 052D between 2020 and 2022 and 8 type 055 between 2022 and 2023. How many new Burk have US commissioned during the same period? They will launch about 10 new warships this year alone between 052D/055/054B, looking at those numbers you can almost make a conclusion Covid speed up their warship building speed.

因为疫情？中国在2020年到2022年服役13艘052D型，在2022年到2023年服役8艘055型。美国在同一时期服役了多少艘新的伯克?仅今年一年，他们就会推出大约10艘新军舰，052D或055或054B，看看这些数字，你几乎可以得出结论，“疫情”加快了他们的军舰建造速度。

LH-db3yx

I thought MTU diesel engines were German made engines.

我以为MTU柴油发动机是德国制造的。

jeffreyedwards5808

MTU is from Friedrichshafen Germany , probably Ukraine bought these engines and then sold them to China.

MTU来自德国，可能是乌克兰买了这些发动机，然后卖给了中国。

Arwokid

As others have pointed out..052B is NOT the newest. 052D has VLS and AESA radar..

Come on, you can do better than this

正如其他人所指出的，052B不是最新的。052D有VLS和AESA雷达，维基上一查就知道…拜托，你可以做得更好的。

tonysu8860

What criteria did you use to call the Type 52 series a "destroyer?"

AFAIK practically everyone classifies it as a frigate and the larger Type 55 as China's latest "destroyer" class although it borders on being so large that it could almost be called a "cruiser"

你参考什么标准，把052型系列称为“驱逐舰”?

据我所言，几乎每个人都把它归类为护卫舰，而更大的055型是中国最新的“驱逐舰”，尽管它几乎可以被称为“巡洋舰”。

ltribley

An aside: Both Russia and China are moving rapidly ahead on various EMP weapons systems.

Just recently Russia has been testing its non-nuclear EMP missile in Ukraine with success to date.

This likely means about 12 to 18 months before it's in production.

It created quite a stir in the State Dept and Pentagon since like their hypersonic missiles, the U.S. and NATO have no defense.

China has a wider range of differnet systems in development designed for aircraft, ship-based, small-area coverage, groundbase/underground installations, power grids, etc.

题外话：俄罗斯和中国在各种电磁脉冲武器系统方面都在迅速进步。

就在最近，俄罗斯一直在乌克兰测试其非核电磁脉冲导弹，迄今为止取得了成功。

这可能意味着在它投入生产之前需要12到18个月的时间。

这在国务院和五角大楼引起了不小的轰动，因为就像他们的高超音速导弹一样，美国和北约没有防御。

中国在研发中的系统更多，用于飞机、舰载、小区域覆盖、地面/地下设施、电网等。

redheads604

and probably built at a fraction of the cost of a LCS lol

而且建造成本可能只是近海战舰的一小部分

ColonelEviscerator

Sure it's good, but as you say so often: "There are two kinds of ships in the sea, submarines and targets."  So why are we worried about outdated and undermaintained Chinese surface assets?

的确不错，但就像你常说的：“海上就两种舰艇，潜艇和目标。”那么，我们为什么要担心过时和维护不足的中国水面军舰呢?

rainbowshulacorns3666

Clearly not their best destroyer

显然不是他们最好的驱逐舰

jessejames7757

I heard it's made from parts bought at Wal-Mart

我听说是用沃尔玛买的零件做的

kevinchenguangzhukevin8365

The type 730 CIWS is a copy of Dutch Goalkeeper system, china bought 2 in 1980s then reverse engineered it.

730型近程武器系统是荷兰“守门员”系统的山寨版，中国在1980年购买了2部，然后进行了逆向工程。