Why do Koreans think that Confucius is Korean?

为什么韩国人认为孔子是韩国人？

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Benjamin Park

Confucius is Korean. He founded the earlier Joseon dynasty.

Just kidding, Confucius was from what is now PR China. He was Chinese. No way he could have been a Korean.

But there will be some ultranationalists trying to fit the wrong piece of the puzzle and say nonsensical lies that Koreans started the fuss over the ownership of Confucius. Koreans in general are not really interested in Chinese history except for the Romance of Three Kingdoms (삼국지). Speaking of which, there is also no Korean who claims that any dynasty or kingdom or sovereignty that appeared in the Romance of Three Kingdoms was a Korean dynasty.

Long story short, I’ll tell you that finding a Korean who seriously thinks and claims Confucius was Korean will be more difficult than getting struck by lightning on a Korean summer monsoon.

孔子是韩国人。他建立了早期的朝鲜王朝。

开玩笑的啦，孔子来自现在的中国。他是中国人，不可能是韩国人。

但也会有一些极端民族主义者试图曲解这一事实，编造一些荒谬的谎言，说韩国人为了孔子的国籍争论不休。总体而言，除了《三国演义》，韩国人对中国历史并不感兴趣。说到这一点，韩国人也不认为《三国演义》中的王朝是朝鲜王朝。

长话短说，我要告诉你，想找到一个真地相信并声称孔子是韩国人的韩国人，比在夏季季风中被闪电击中还要困难。

Woosung Choi

No, we don’t.

Ask a random Korean if Confucius is Korean.

99% will answer “no, he is not” to your question.

Actually, it is a somewhat annoying question for Koreans because most of them have not claimed that. I’ve never heard that from Koreans.

不，我们可没有这么说。

随便找个韩国人问问：孔子是不是韩国人。

99%的韩国人会回答：“不，他不是”。

事实上，这对韩国人来说已经算是一个有点烦人的问题了，因为大多数人都没有这样说过。我自己也从来没听过韩国人这么说过。

Katsu Kameda

Originally Answered: Why do Chinese people believe that Koreans claim Confucius was Korean? Who are the main proponents of this claim?

This was actually started by a group of silly Japanese… to incite Chinese to hate Koreans.

为什么中国人相信韩国人声称孔子是韩国人？是谁在支持这种说法？

这实际上是一群愚蠢的日本人发起的，煽动中国人讨厌韩国人。

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Lin Zexu

Jasper Lee’s answer was based on a totally wrong assumption that the “夷(Barbarians)” defined in the book written in Han Dynasty (which was about 600 years after Confucius was born) had something to do with the State of Lu (鲁国) and the State of Qi (齐国) which was the hometown of Confucius. I believe the territory of Lu鲁国 and Qi齐国 in ia Dynasty which was founded 1500 years before Confucius was born might be considered as 东夷 (Eastern Barbarians), but in later Shang Dynasty and obviously Zhou Dynasty, these places had already been occupied by Huaxa feudal lords and Huaxa people. Both State of Lu鲁国 and State of Qi齐国 were essentially feudal lords under the leader (天子 Son of Heaven) of Zhou Dynasty. So they were all 100% pure Huaxa. And the Sochen 东夷 (肃慎) recorded in Han Dynasty’s documents were from JiLin and Hei-Long-jiang AKA Northeast China nowadays which is about 1000 kilometers from Confucius’s hometown. So I don’t understand what his point is. Those archaeological materials mentioned in his answer have not been investigated properly to make a serious conclusion by the historians.

Jasper Lee的回答是以一个错误的假设为前提的：汉代(孔子出生后约600年)史书中定义的“夷”与孔子的家乡鲁国和齐国有关。我认为，在孔子出生1500年前建立的夏朝，鲁国和齐国的领土被视为东蛮，但在后来的商朝和周朝，这两个地方已经被华夏封建领主和华夏人占领了。

鲁、齐两国其实都是周朝领袖(天子)领导下的诸侯国，所以它们都是100%纯的华夏领土。汉代文献中记载的肃慎来自吉林和黑龙江，即今天的中国东北，距离孔子的家乡约1000公里。所以我不明白他是什么意思。他在回答中提到的那些考古材料并没有经过历史学家的调查，得出过严肃的结论。

Saying Confucius was a 东夷 is like saying Donald Trump is possibly an Indian because Mr Trump’s ancestors in Germany might come from Spain which was probably under control of Muslim Arabic kingdoms before Reconquista and the Muslim people “looked like” the Indians/Pakistanis.

It seems that his conclusion is based on a false assumption which is based on many other false assumptions with irrelevant arguments and unclear evidence. Apparently he doesn’t understand the Chinese text in his answer. There are too many flaws and I didn’t even know where to start.

说孔子是东夷人就像说唐纳德·特朗普可能是印度人一样，因为特朗普的德国祖先可能来自西班牙，在收复失地运动之前，西班牙可能受到MSL阿拉伯王国的控制，而MSL人“看起来很像”印度人/巴基斯坦人。

这样看来他的结论是建立在一个错误的假设之上的，而这个假设又建立在许多其他的错误假设之上，这些错误的假设并没有相关的论据和明确的证据。显然，他也看不懂他回答中提到的中文内容。他的说法错漏百出，我都不知道该从哪里开始。

Kakyn Khok

It was a Korean cult that propagated this claim. In fact most Koreans are unaware of this cult as they're very insignificant in Korea.

The claim by the cult in a talk was video recorded and used by Chinese and spreaded anti-korea sentiment in China. It was not the mainstream belief and most Koreans know that Confucius is a citizen of Ru Kingdom (presently Shandong China)

宣扬这一主张的是韩国的一个邪教。事实上，大多数韩国人都不知道这个邪教，因为他们在韩国非常微不足道。

该邪教在演讲中发表的言论被中国人录成视频并加以利用，在中国国内扩散反韩情绪。这种言论并不是主流信仰，大多数韩国人都知道孔子是鲁国（现中国山东）的公民。

Rubear

For posts I’ve seen that defends the idea that Confucius isn’t “Chinese”. Is hypocritical as some had no sources, along with perpetuating the idea that Confucius is Korean. Confucius is indeed chinese-China is diverse with flourishing cultures and ethnic groups. Historically, Confucius lived in Lu state (Shandong today) ruled by the Zhou dynasty. Regardless, when one searches for Zhou or Han-any Chinese dynasty; searches from academic sources states the dynasties as different Chinese rulers. As history is contingent, we’re all the same-humans. We share cultures, and learn from each other. Also please get credible sources before promoting your biases, falsifying information while meandering other’s perceptions isn’t educating the public.

我看到那些捍卫孔子不是“中国人”的观点的帖子。我觉得都是虚构的，因为他们没有可靠的信息来源。孔子确实是中国人—中国是一个文化繁盛、多民族的国家。历史上，孔子生活在周朝统治下的鲁国(今天的山东)。你可以搜索周朝或汉朝—任何一个中国朝代，学术资料会告诉你中国各个王朝只是不同的中国。历史是偶然的，我们都是一样的—人类。我们分享文化，互相学习。此外，在宣扬你的偏见之前，请先寻找可靠的消息来源，在歪曲他人看法的同时伪造信息并不能让公众信服。

Michael L. Best

No, Koreans, by and large, do not believe that Confucius was Korean, ethnically or otherwise. The first time I heard this claim (the claim actually being made by Chinese netizens that “Koreans call Confucius Korean”), I asked my wife where Confucius was from. After a bit of puzzlement about why I even asked the question, her reply was along the lines of “he’s Chinese, of course,” as if I were an idiot. I’ve even checked with my wife’s nephews in Korea, just out of curiosity, and their schools teach that Confucius was Chinese. They weren’t even aware of this idea that “some” say Confucius was Korean. So no, Koreans do not believe this claim nor is it endorsed in Korean’s school curriculums. Maybe it’s time to put this this claim that “Korean’s claim” to bed already.

不，总的来说，韩国人并不相信孔子是韩国人，无论是从种族上还是其他方面都一样。我第一次听到这种说法（实际上是中国网民的说法，“韩国人称孔子为韩国人”）时，问我的妻子孔子是哪里人。她先是对我的这个问题表示困惑，然后回答是“他当然是中国人啦”，把我看作白痴一样。出于好奇，我还问过我妻子在韩国的侄子，学校里都说孔子是中国人。他们甚至都不知道“有些韩国人”说孔子是韩国人这件事。所以，不是的，韩国人不相信这个说法，韩国的学校课程中也不认可这个说法。

DP

Of all the Korean people I have met in my entire life, whether it be friends, family, coworkers, acquaintances, etc, I have never met a Korean person who believed that Confucius was Korean.

I am sure some Korean ultranationalists have said it but I have also never seen a Korean ultranationalist in real life nor have I ever seen an internet post by a Korean ultranationalist or even a troll post that Confucius was Korean.

I believe that a lot of anti-Korean Chinese people are jum on a nonexsting wagon.

我这辈子遇到过的所有韩国人，无论是朋友、家人、同事、熟人等等，都没有一个相信孔子是韩国人的说法。

我相信一些韩国极端民族主义者说过这个言论，但我在现实生活中从未见过韩国极端民族主义者，也从未见过韩国极端民族主义者在互联网上发帖说孔子是韩国人。

我相信很多反韩的中国人是上当受骗了。

Laser Cho

Only Chinese want to believe that “Koreans believe 공자 is Korean”. Funny.

99.999% of Koreans think 孔子 is Chinese.

rest 0.001%? nuts.

只有中国人愿意相信“韩国人相信孔子是韩国人”。这未免也太有意思了。

99.999%的韩国人认为孔子是中国人。

剩下的0.001%呢？都是笨蛋。

Kim inGwang

I'm Korean, but I've never heard such bullshit from a Korean in my life. I think it was made up by a group of evil intentions to hate Koreans.

我就是韩国人，但我这辈子从没听过韩国人说过这种话。我感觉这是有人为了仇恨韩国人而编造出来的谎言。

Kimi Kimja

I honestly dont know if they think he is Korean or what nationality Confucius is to know he isnt Korean. I thought he was a mythical guy or something..lol! I feel dumb as pocket lint right now.

我真的不知道韩国人是否认为孔子是韩国人，或者孔子是哪国人。我还以为孔子是个神话人物什么的…哈哈！我现在觉得自己像口袋里的绒布一样蠢。

Christian Dahl

There’s Koreans that will go on for HOURS about the crazy people in japan claiming that Kimchi is of Japanese origin..

Just as much as that is not accurate of the general population of Japan, neither is the idea that Koreans think Confucius is Korean. His philosophy was named the state religion during the Jeoseon period, however, nobody in their right mind in Korea claims Confucianism is of Korean origin.

I’m sure this is a thing some Chinese or Japanese use to ridicule the Koreans, because they have a case of one or two people saying it. Just like the claim that the Japanese think Kimchi was Japanese. While it’s true a couple people might say it, it’s not the popular opinion by far.

有些韩国人会滔滔不绝地说上几个小时，说日本人声称泡菜来自日本…

这种说法无法准确反映了日本的总体情况，同样的，说韩国人认为孔子是韩国人的说法也不一定准确。孔子学说在朝鲜时代被定为国教，但是韩国但凡头脑正常的人都不会说儒学是韩国人。

我敢肯定，这是有些中国人或日本人用来嘲笑韩国人的一个梗。这就好比日本人说泡菜是日本的梗一样。虽然确实有人会这么说，但现在还不是普遍的观点。

Anonymous

Nope. Not even close.

Times that when Confucius was popular is passed and gone.

What’s hip and trendy seems to be bashing Korean ancestors for accepting his ideas and Confucius himself for giving birth to the constipated social hierarchy system , unnecessary age terms and over complicated ceremonial services all year throughout.

South Koreans would never want to claim an idealist that they think negatively of as their own.

不，不存在的。

孔子受追捧的时代已经过去了。

现在的风尚似乎变成了抨击韩国祖先接受孔子思想以及孔子本人的做法，因为孔子创造了僵化的社会等级制度、无谓的齿序关系和繁杂的仪式。

韩国人永远不会把一个他们不喜的理想主义者当成自己的理想主义者。

Bryan Cheron

I’ve never met a single person who, when the subject came up, didn’t know that Confucius was from what is today the People’s Republic of China.

Your question suggests that a lot of Koreans believe Confucius was Korean. I have to wonder what kind of Koreans you’re meeting, because I didn’t meet any throughout my twelve years there.

每次聊到这个话题，我遇到的韩国人都清楚知道孔子来自今天的中华人民共和国。

你的问题里暗示说很多韩国人相信孔子是韩国人。我很想知道你遇到的都是什么样的韩国人，因为我在韩国呆了12年，一个都没遇到过。

itong Zou

I’ve also had Chinese friends tell me that the reason they don’t like Koreans is because Koreans claim things that were Chinese or invented in China were actually Korean. Not only is this a ridiculous reason not to like an entire race of people, it’s not really true either.

It’s propagated by online Chinese websites and forums that are often made up by Anti-Korean people. I’ve lived in Korea for many years and have many Korean friends, never met any Korean that claimed Confucius is Korean.

我的中国朋友曾经告诉我，他们不喜欢韩国人的原因是因为韩国人总是把中国的或中国发明的东西标榜为韩国的。这不但是一个讨厌一个族群整体的荒谬理由，更不是事实。

这个说法在中国的在线网站和论坛传播已久，这些网站和论坛通常都是反韩人士组织的。我在韩国生活了很多年，有很多韩国朋友，但从来没见过哪个韩国人说孔子是韩国人。

Oliver Zhang

Not only Chinese people believe Koreans are claiming things, many Japanese people believe so too. Unless public media in both Japan and China are cooperating to make Koreans look bad on this matter, I would guess this whole subject about Koreans claiming things must be true to some extent at least.

不单单是中国人认为韩国人胡说八道，很多日本人也这么认为。除非是日本和中国的公共媒体合作要让韩国人难堪，否则我认为韩国人喜欢抢人东西的事儿至少在某种程度上是真实存在的。