为什么印度空军不怕中国的第五代隐形战机歼-20

Why is the Indian Air Force not afraid of China's fifth generation stealth fighter J-20?

为什么印度空军不怕中国的第五代隐形战机歼-20？

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Eleftheriou Dorotheos-Vasileios

The condition with India is somewhat peculiar in politics and diplomacy. India is backed by England and USA, who provide India with weapons and technology. This gives to the politicians and military of India “confidence”. When China built by herself Space technology. USA and England built for India a satelite and gave it to India to launch it so that India takes pride that has a “space program”, just like China… Such movements, give the elite classes of India and their military, the belief that USA and UK will be able to “help them” if anything occurs between their country and China… Of course they undersestimate the fact that China is a Superpower!

在政治和外交方面，印度的情况有些特殊。印度得到了英国和美国的支持，他们为印度提供武器和技术，这给了印度政客和军方很大的“信心”。当中国还在自己摸索太空技术的时候，美国和英国就为印度建造了一颗卫星，送给印度发射，印度因此也拥有了“太空计划”，和中国一样自豪。印度的精英阶层和他们的军队由此相信，不管印度和中国之间发生什么，美国和英国都能够“帮助自己”，但显然他们低估了中国是超级大国的事实！

India is a country with very very poor population. This population does not care too much if they fall under foreign occupation. Their conditions are filthy like in case of the Cambodian population under the Khmer Rouge resigme… It was salvation for them when the Vietnamese army overun their country and abolished the tyranic Khmer resigme. So the same will be for the poor Hindu people of lower economic classes. It will be salvation for them if the Chinese army manages to overun their country and who rob them and let them starve and suffer! They see the J-20 and any Chinese sophisticated weapon as a mean for their salvation!

印度是一个民众非常贫困的国家。印度民众并不太关心他们是否被外国占领。他们的生活条件十分恶劣，就像红色高棉政权下的柬埔寨人一样……越南军队推番了他们的国家，废除了高棉的统治，这对柬埔寨人反而是一种拯救。经济地位较低的贫穷印度人也是如此。

如果中国军队能够统治他们的国家，让印度人免遭饥饿，那对他们就是一种救赎！所以他们把歼-20和中国的先进武器都当做拯救自己的手段！

So pretty much it is that India essentially has nothing to lose! Today India is a slave state for USA and UK. And even if they lose in a war with China their status will not change much. They will remain a slave state, except that their new masters will be the Chinese people and not the English or Americans! For them this will be definitely better, because the Chinese people will be more respectful towards Indians than the Americans and English!

事实上印度已经没有什么退路了！印度如今已经是美国和英国的奴隶。就算印度在战争中输给中国，他们的地位也不会有太大变化。他们还是奴隶国家，只不过主人不再是英国人或美国人了，而是换成了中国人！而对印度人而言，这反而更好，因为中国人会比美国人和英国人更尊重印度人！

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Who said that they are not worried of Chinas J-20s. India is shitting its pants due to J-20 because if US considers J-20 a capable and big threat then it is a huge threat. IAF is currently fearing even J-10C let alone J-20. Let me tell you one thing. Indian government is like a kid who first messes with the powerful kids and then cry that the other kid beat him. Now when US and Canada retaliates in stop of Tejas engines and other equipment then they will cry that US and Canada are bullying.

谁说印度人不担心中国的歼-20呢。歼-20让印度瑟瑟发抖，因为如果连美国都觉得歼-20是一个大威胁，那么它就绝对是个大威胁。印度空军目前连歼- 10c都害怕，更不用说歼-20了。我要跟你们说一件事。印度政府就像个孩子，先是和那些有权势的孩子厮混，然后又哭诉其他孩子打了他。当美国和加拿大以终止光辉发动机和其他装备的供应进行报复时，他们又哭着喊着说美国和加拿大欺负人。

India can never match the ariel capabilities of that of China and they know that. They are struggling to produce 4th gen Tejas and they claim to rival China. India currently has no solution to J-16s, J-10Cs and specially J-20s. India has a dozen or so of Rafales which can rival J-10C and even those are deployed near Pakistani borders. As of Su-30 MKI those are no match for Chinese flankers specially J-16s.

印度的空军实力永远也赶不上中国，他们深知这一点。印度正在努力研制第四代光辉战机，并声称可以与中国竞争。但印度目前并没有对抗歼-16、歼- 10cs，特别是歼-20的解决方案。印度有十多架阵风战机，可以与歼- 10c相匹敌，但都部署在巴基斯坦边境附近。就苏-30 MKI而言，这些战机无法与中国的侧翼战机，特别是歼-16相比。

大人李

China and Lockheed Corporation collaborated to develop the J-35, and now Chinese people prefer the J-35. China's handling of stealth details has reached a top-level level, and the stealth performance of the J-35 is very good. China's radar performance is at the top level in the world. The J-35 is equipped with a third-generation GaN active phased array radar with at least 1900 T/R modules, making its radar performance first-class

中国和洛克希德公司合作开发了歼-35，现在中国人更喜欢歼-35。中国对隐形战斗机细节的处理已经达到了顶级水平，歼-35的隐身性能就非常好。中国的雷达处于世界一流水平。歼35装备至少拥有1900 T/R模块的第三代GaN有源相控阵雷达，使其雷达性能非常出色。

Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam

That's because the J20 will never participate in a battle with India

The J20 is entirely focused on the South China conflict and against Taiwan if ever it is deployed

The key feature of the J20 is STEALTH and a J20 can be used to breach Taiwanese territory and bomb selective targets and protect PLAN vessels carrying PLA landing teams

In the Himalayas?

They have almost no role

The J-10s and JF -17s are sufficient for PoK if ever there is an escalation

那是因为歼20绝对不会参与中印之间的战争

歼-20主要用于南海冲突，如果真的部署也只会针对台湾

歼-20的主要特点是隐身，一架歼-20就可以攻破台湾领土、轰炸选择性目标并保护运送解放军登陆队的海军舰艇。

但在喜马拉雅山脉？

他们几乎无能为力

歼10和JF -17对巴控克什米尔来说已经足够了。

The Key in an Indian China conflict will be Land Army or Physical Troops

Roads, Logistics, Artillery, Ammunition and Cover Fire

Plus Intelligence and Surveillance

Not J20s

Even in an Indian Ocean escalation, it's the Chinese Ships that would form the threat and not the J20s

And India is worried deeply about both the PLA formations in Aksai Chin and PLAN movements in the Indian Ocean

中印冲突的关键在于陆军

道路，后勤，火炮，弹药和掩护火力

加上情报和监视

而不是歼-20s

就算印度洋局势升级，能够构成威胁的也是中国军舰，而非歼-20

印度对解放军在阿克塞钦集结和计划在印度洋上行动深感担忧

Rahul Patil

China has revealed little data and doesn’t participate in exercises with anyone, so there’s no exposure to external air forces to get any sort of real world prowess of the J-20. While it may be expected that Chinese tech is behind even the Russians, the Chinese economy is very strong and they military budget is massive, and with sustained money thrown at it, maybe the J-20 is more capable than thought to be, but only a real conflict will show the actual picture.

中国公布的数据很少，也没有参加过军事演习，所以没有向外国空军展示过歼-20的真实作战能力。虽然可以预测中国的技术还是落后于俄罗斯，但中国的经济非常强大，军事预算十分充裕，随着资金的持续投入，歼-20可能会比我们想象的更彪悍，但只有在战场上才能展示真实实力。

Utkarsh Shukla

Do Chinese J-20 stealth jets decade ahead of any Indian aircraft including refale jets?

No, It's all part of Chinese propaganda against India to show that they are superior in technology and military then India.

But it's not true J-20 is not a 5 generation plane that's a different matter that they advertise it as one. Many experts in aviation has denied of J-20 front section to be stealthy and it has got engine issuses also.

中国歼-20隐形战机比印度战机(包括阵风战机)领先10年吗？

不，这只是中国用来迷惑印度的，目的是标榜他们在科技和军事上都优于印度。

但歼-20还算不是第5代战斗机，这和他们宣传的完全不是一回事。许多航空专家都否认歼-20的机头是隐形的，它的发动机也有问题。

On normal sorties is of IAF Su-30mki was able to detect it from a quite large distance. Rafale electronics and spectra counter measure system are unmatchable. It even shot down the invincible F-22 raptor in a mock combat and F-22 is decades ahead of any Chinese jet

在正常情况下，印度空军的苏-30mki就能够在相当远的距离之外探测到歼-20。阵风的电子和光谱对抗系统都是无人能及的，甚至在模拟战斗中成功击落了所向披靡的F-22猛禽，而F-22的技术领先中国所有飞机几十年的时间。

Juzuo Zhang

How is China’s J-20?

Sorry, I have to point out a fact:

There is no J-20 at all, or we say, the internal code for so-called J-20 is actually J-9I, which means improved version of J-9.

中国的歼-20怎么样了?

不好意思，但我必须指出一个事实：

世界上根本就不存在歼-20，或者我们可以说，所谓的歼-20其实就是歼- 9i，也即歼-9的升级版。

The history could be dated back to 1964, when China was facing threat of US B-1B. The Chinese Air Force (PLAAF) decided to develop a high-speed interceptor for defense. And the designed parameters were:

Max speed: 2.5 Mach

Combat radius: 2500 km

Practical ceiling: 25000 m

历史可以追溯到1964年，当时中国面临着美国B-1B的威胁。中国空军决定研制一种用于防御的高速截击机。设计参数为：

最大速度：2.5马赫

作战半径：2500公里

最高飞行高度：25000米

Those was called “325 (3*25)” at that time. Even now, a jet with these parameters could be considered outstanding. But at that time, China was not recovered from WWII, and related industries were extremely poor, they even couldn't make qualified steel. So the design was not achieved. Instead, a conservatively designed one (J-8) was applied. Project J-9 was archived with only a few prototypes made.

当时被称为“325(3*25)”。即使放到现在，具备这些参数的飞机也还是非常出色的。但当时，中国还没有从二战中恢复，相关产业非常贫穷，甚至连合格的钢铁都造不出来。所以这个设计未能实现。相反，中国推出了设计较为保守的歼-8。歼-9制出了几驾原型机后就搁置了。

However, J-9 was archived, but not abandoned. When it comes to decades later, China has developed a lot in materials, weapons, radar and engine, Project J-9 was unblocked and brought to desk again. After years of development, it is the one you see now. Since that we already had J-5, J-6, J-7, J-8, J-10 and J-11 at that time, it’s weird to go back to 9 again, so it was named J-20.

Here is a picture of J-9 prototype and J-20.

虽然歼-9被搁置，但并没有被废弃。几十年后，中国在材料、武器、雷达和发动机方面都获得了长足的发展，歼-9项目再次被提上议程。经过多年的升级，就成了现在你能看到的。因为中国当时已经推出了歼-5、歼-6、歼-7、歼-8、歼-10、歼-11，若再回到歼-9就很奇怪了，所以命名为歼-20。

这是歼-9原型机和歼-20的照片。

You can see how similar they are. And parameters of J-20 marginally meet the designed one for J-9 half a century ago.

So, how is J-20?

I have to declare that it’s not really a stealth fighter, since there is no concept of “stealth” in 1964 (Project F-22 started in the 1990s), and of course there is no stealth design in appearance. Even there could be improvement on J-20, it’s not possible to be qualified as a stealth one.

你可以看出它们有多么相似。歼-20的参数与半个世纪前歼-9的设计参数基本一致。

那么，歼-20怎么样呢？

我必须声明，歼-20并不是真正的隐形战斗机，因为1964年的时候还没有“隐形”的概念(F-22始于1990年代)，所以外观上也并没有隐形设计。即使歼-20进行了升级，也不可能被认定为隐形战机。

And we all know that engine is the weak point of China. The first few J-20 had to buy engine from Russia. So the supersonic performance could be suspect.

J-9 was of low weight (approx. 13t), and J-20 was not enlarged a lot. And it’s clear form picture that there is no weapon hanging point on the wing, which makes it pale in carrying weapons.

As a conclusion, I would comment J-20 as a “fake 5-generation jet” for the poor points in stealth, range and carriage. As for comparison to other fighters, I would say it’s better than J-10 and J-11, approx. equal to Mirage 2000 but not as good as F/A-18 E/F, F-15C, JAS-39 and LCA.

我们都知道发动机是中国的弱项。前几架歼-20必须从俄罗斯购买发动机，所以所谓的超音速可能也存在疑问。

歼-9自重不大(大约13吨)，歼-20也没有大多少。从图片上可以清楚地看到，歼-20的机翼上没有武器悬挂点，所以在携带武器的能力可能相形见绌。

综上所述，我认为歼-20是一架“假5代机”，因为它在隐身、航程和机身方面都表现不佳。至于和其他战斗机的比较，我想说它比歼-10和歼-11要好一些，与幻影2000相当，但不如F/ A - 18E /F、F- 15c、JAS-39和LCA。