What would be the consequences for the USA and Europe if China attained independence in the semiconductor industry (beyond 7 nm) and established autonomy in phone and computer operating systems (like Harmony OS)?

如果中国在半导体行业获得独立，比如攻破7纳米，并在手机和电脑操作系统（如鸿蒙系统）上实现独立自主，会给美国和欧洲带来什么后果？

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John Tan

Hasn’t all the world to date made their decision based on what is available at the best price & functionality. And most of the world would continue to do so except may be for those in the West & US who have been brain washed. We would then have a dichotomy of technologies, with 12% of the folks using what comes from the West & US, & 88% using what comes from China. Which means thing swill get more expensive in the West & US, who will end up paying more & getting less

难道现在全世界的人都还没有根据优惠价格和功能做出决定吗？除了那些被西方和美国洗脑的人，其他国家的人都会这样做。然后我们在科技上会出现分歧，12%的人使用来自西方和美国的东西，88%的人使用来自中国的东西。这意味着西方和美国的东西会变得更贵，看看谁最后会付出更多，得到更少。

Yung Leonard Chow

I cannot predict what the consequences will be for the USA and Europe if China attains independence in the semiconductor industry. Whatever the consequence is, it will be most interesting to see.

我无法预测如果中国在半导体行业获得独立，会给美国和欧洲带来什么后果。无论结果如何，这都将是最有趣的。

L.K.

They are all happening and the US and Europe will have to accept that. China is de-risking from the West slowly and firmly.

这种情况已经开始了，美国和欧洲将不得不接受这一点。中国正在缓慢而坚定地摆脱西方的风险。

Change28

No consequences.

USA and Europe can rejoice in kee their innovation in semiconductor industry all to themselves.

And still have the advantage of using technology from China should they wish to.

不会有什么后果。

美国和欧洲可以为自己在半导体行业的创新感到高兴。

如果他们愿意的话，他们还有使用中国技术的优势。

Steven Mak

The question is not “if” but “when”, just like the The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System and the Tiangong space station.

The problem is the mentality of the US politicians, believe that the Chinese are not smart enough to overcome these obstacles, and will eventually kowtow to the US hegemony.

As I have said, China’s success within a few decades is due to the hostility of the West. The US banned 5G in an attempt to hurt Huawei, now Americans don’t have 5G, while other nations have much advanced technology. Stupidity will be the cause of the US downfall.

问题不是“如果”，而是“何时”，就像北斗卫星导航系统和天宫空间站。

问题在于美国政客的心态，他们认为中国人不够聪明，无法克服这些障碍，最终会向美国霸权低头。

正如我所说，中国在近几十年的成功正是因为西方的敌意。美国禁用5G是为了打击华为，现在美国人没有5G，但其他国家已经有了更先进的技术。愚蠢就是美国走向衰败的原因。

Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam

Like Thanos says

It is INEVITABLE

China could have had it's own Plaza Accords in 2006–2007 which could have led them the Japanese way and ensured their permanent umbilical cord to the United States and the West

They didn't luckily due to the Global Financial Crisis of 2008 that ensured eight years of freedom from Western meddling and a Terrific leader

就像Thanos说的

这是不可避免的事。

中国本来也可能会在2006年至2007年签订自己的广场协议，这可能会让他们走上日本的老路，永远跟美国和西方绑在一起。

由于2008年的全球金融危机，他们很幸运地避开了这一点，这场金融危机确保了中国八年免受西方干涉的自由和一个了不起的领导人。

China became only the sixth country in the planet after US, Switzerland, France, Germany & UK to get FDA approval for a Cancer drug developed by A CHINESE ENTITY with CHINESE RESEARCH

A Superior Drug to many US equivalents because otherwise FDA wouldn't have approved it

In 2015, 100% MRI Machines and 84% Stents were imported by China

In 2023, 44% MRI Machines and 30% Stents are locally made using Chinese patents with excellent quality

继美国、瑞士、法国、德国和英国之后，中国成了世界上第六个获得FDA批准的由中国研究机构开发的抗癌药物的国家

这种药物优于许多美国同类药物，否则FDA不会批准的

2015年，100%的核磁共振成像仪和84%的光伏支架都是卖给中国的

2023年，44%的核磁共振成像仪和30%的光伏支架将采用中国专利制造，质量上乘

China has the money, the brains and the huge population

Why can't they start making everything at home

They already took over the entire HSR ecosystem from Japan, making things better and at lower cost

They control and dominate the EV ecosystem from scratch and their charging and battery technology is superior to anything the West has. Plus in Buses, they have no equivalent competition

中国有资金、人才和庞大的人口

为什么他们不能在本土制造所有的东西呢

他们已经从日本手中接管了整个高铁生态系统，而且高铁质量更好，成本更低

他们又从零开始控制和主导电动汽车生态系统，他们的充电和电池技术都超过西方。另外，在公共汽车领域，他们目前还没有竞争对手。

Plus Gas Platforms, Oil Platforms, Thorium Salt Extraction, Green Energy

China is a leader in almost every such field

Plus surging rapidly

The Latest J20s are top class and acknowledged by even the most rabid Hawks as only a notch below the F22s and easily superior to the F35

加上天然气平台，石油平台，钍盐提取，绿色能源

中国几乎在所有这些领域都处于领先地位

最新的歼-20是顶级战斗机，就连最偏激的人也承认它只比F22低一个档次，轻松超越F35

Japan had this chance

Japan could have decided to take it

Instead they amalgamated their entire industry to the West and throttled their own capabilities becoming a second rate nation selling Anime and Games and Electronics to the Western Markets

日本曾经有过这样的机会

日本本来也可以接受的

但他们把自己的整个产业和西方合并了，扼杀了自己的实力，沦为一个向西方市场销售动漫、游戏和电子产品的二流国家

Soon the World will have a Western Origin & Chinese Origin product competition

The West can try to delay the inevitable

They can't stop it short of a major war which today they have a far greater chance of losing than wng

很快，世界将会出现西方制造和中国制造的产品之间的竞争

西方可以努力推迟不可避免的事情

但他们无法阻挡一场大规模战争的爆发，他们输掉的可能性很大。

Andrew Low

When you are able to sell fish to someone, he sees no reason to learn how to fish. When you stopped the selling of fish to that someone because you don't like his color, his IQ or whatever idiotic reason you can come up with, naturally he will learn how to fish. That's the nature of mankind. Necessity is the mother of invention. Who ends up the losers?

当你能把鱼卖给别人时，他就觉得没必要学捕鱼了。当你因为不喜欢对方的肤色、智商或任何你能想出的愚蠢理由而决定不再卖鱼给他时，他自然会学习如何捕鱼。这是人类的本性。需要是发明之母。究竟谁才会是那个输家呢？

Swee Chen

There is no “if” about it. Only “when”.

The USA and Europe just has to get smart and get on with develo their own competitive advantage. A “containment” or “de-risking” strategy will not work and will just divert resources away from doing smart things into doing dumb things. The West needs smarter leaders.

没有“如果”，只有“何时”。

美国和欧洲必须更加聪明些，继续发展自己的竞争优势。“打压遏制”或“降低风险”的战略不可能奏效，只会把资源从做明智的事情转移到做愚蠢的事情上。西方需要聪明点的领导人。

Joseph Loh

This question is self answered, a bit like 3 months behind, the world is big enough for more than one or few major superpowers, and it’s actually better to the stability and prosperity of the world

这个问题是不言而喻的，也许3个月后就会实现，这个世界很大，足以容纳一个或多个超级大国，这样更有利于世界的稳定和繁荣。

Peter Kaye

Obviously they already have, the consequences? LOSS OF MARKET, and billions of dollars worth of sales, that has also already happened, that’s not in the future anymore that’s the past now, and the Us have their stupid government to thank for that.

显然他们已经独立了，后果呢？后果是失去了市场和数十亿美元的销售额，这也已经发生了，这不再是未来，而是过去，这要感谢美国愚蠢的政府。

KokHin Lim

First China HAS DE-RISKED from the U.S. and the west in Chips, Software and Technology. China will never be dependent on the west ever again. It will make everything better, cheaper and faster than the west and make all the money themselves. It was happy to share a loaf of bread with the west but since the west wanted to cut China out.

Forget 7nm. Think about Chinese 0.5 nm chips! For get google or IOS thinks Harmony that can do everything faster, more efficiently and cheaper.

首先，中国已经在芯片、软件和技术领域摆脱了美国和西方的风险。

中国不会继续依赖西方了。中国会把一切都变得比西方更好、更便宜、更快，赚取所有的钱。中国曾经很乐意和西方分享，但西方想把中国排除在外。

别再提什么7纳米的事了。中国都有0.5纳米芯片了！谷歌或IOS认为鸿蒙系统可以更快，更高效，更便宜

William Rodgers

the US market needs to stop believing all the China propaganda about how great their economy is and how they will overtake us. China is the worlds largest ponzi scheme practiced on a massive scale. Their Belt and Road plan is what Bernie Madoff faced when he came to the end of his famous Ponzi scheme. It only works for a while, then the investors get burned and they tell others. that is where China is today. They pulled the Realestate scam on millions of teir own people.. and on all the countries and coites around the pacific basin.

Millions who took homes that never got built have refused to pay for something they doid not and never will get. Sri Lanka got burnt along with many others. The China scam is massive and global. If they are not stopped, they will pull down the IMF. they already have five major banks in default. their “stock Market” is a cheap gambling Casino. China will fail because they think they can make their own rules. i predict that as Musk improves his AI Robot business, he will be able to make chips and other products the Chinese sells to the US made by slave labor faster, better and cheaper. thus China who has been running some 800 billion surplus with the US will dry up . All this will happen once we get the corrupt China Joe out. If I had the capital, I’d open an automated factory using robots and make lawn chairs and all the other plastic junk stuff China is selling US here in the USA. Walmart would be happy, and China ship and scamming the US would dry up.

美国市场别再相信关于中国的一切宣传了，比如中国经济有多么伟大，中国将如何超越我们。

他们是世界上规模最大的庞氏骗局。他们的“一带一路”是伯尼·麦道夫在他臭名昭著的庞氏骗局最后要面临的。

“一带一路”只能风光一小段时间，然后投资者就会开始受到伤害了，他们会告诉别人。

这就是今天的中国。他们搞了房地产泡沫。

同样受骗的还有太平洋盆地周围的所有国家和地区。

数以百万计的人买到了烂尾楼，他们拒绝为自己没有、也永远不会得到的东西买单。

斯里兰卡和其他许多国家一起受到了伤害。骗局是大规模和全球性的。

如果不加以制止，就会拖垮国际货币基金组织。

他们已经有五家大型银行出现违约了。他们的“股市”就是一个赌场。

他们认为他们可以制定自己的规则。

我预测，随着马斯克改善他的人工智能机器人业务，他将更快、更好、更便宜地制造芯片和其他中国销往美国的由劳工制造的产品。

因此，长期对美国保持着8000亿美元顺差的中国将会失去资金。一旦我们把中国佬赶出去，这一切都会发生。

如果我有资金，我就开一家使用机器人的自动化工厂，在美国生产草坪椅和中国生产的其他塑料垃圾。沃尔玛会很高兴的，中国对美国的货运和欺骗也会马上终结。

Allan Kay

To the western politicians and media, China seem to be a threat to everything, I do mean everything. They are the ones who advocated ‘open skies, free markets’ and what not when they were the producers.

The rest started to compete and now the skies are closed and the markets tariffed and embargoed, all because they’re no longer able to compete.

对西方政客和媒体来说，中国似乎是对一切的威胁。他们曾经主张“开放天空、自由市场”，可等到中国开始生产的时候，他们却又不认账了。

其他国家开始竞争的时候，西方国家就关闭天空，开始征收关税、实施禁运，这一切都是因为他们失去了竞争的能力。

Their last bastion, financial services are under the threat of competition and are scared shitless. Whose fault is it? Syria, Al Qeada, Russia or China? It’s non other’s fault except theirs. They have been complacent and bullying everyone into compliance and consuming the crap they dishes out.

China bucked the trend and took the initiative to offer the same or even an improved version for less. This was when it started to hurt western achilles. That pain caused by neglect on their part has been forthcoming and their remedy was still the same; force the market to patronize them.. or else. Servility towards them is their only solution.

他们最后的堡垒—金融服务业正在遭受竞争的威胁，被吓得六神无主。这是谁的错？叙利亚、基地组织、俄罗斯还是中国？这不是别人的错，全是他们自己的错。他们一直太过自负，强迫所有人听话，消费他们制造的垃圾。

而中国反其道而行，主动以更低的价格提供相同甚至更好的商品。于是中国伤害了西方的利益。西方因为自己忽视而造成的痛苦即将到来，而他们的补救措施还是老一套：迫使市场选择自己。对他们而言，别人的卑躬屈膝才是唯一的解决办法。