欧洲的第一列中国列车，中国向欧洲出口“天狼星号”动车组

Is the First Chinese Trains in Europe Bad ? CRRC Sirius review for Regiojet

欧洲第一列中国列车不好吗？Regiojet审查中国中车“天狼星”

CRRC and their ill-fated trainset Sirius experienced a tumultuous start in Europe. However, one trainset is now ready for passenger service with Regiojet. How does this train compare to Siemens, Stadler, and Alstom? There are plenty of good ideas, but let's find out!

中国中车和他们命运多舛的“天狼星”列车在欧洲经历了波折的开始。然而，现在有一列已经为Regiojet的客运服务做好了准备。这列火车与西门子、施泰德和阿尔斯通相比如何？有很多亮点，我们来看看

以下是外国网友的评论：

espaciobarra

The soundproofing issue doesn't really surprise me: I've used a couple other trains made by CRRC and it seems like it's a persistent problem. I would say that they make perfectly serviceable rolling stock but they're still a bit behind on the finishing touches.

隔音问题并没有让我感到惊讶：我坐过中国中车生产的其他列车，这似乎是一个持续存在的问题。我想说的是，他们制造了非常好用的机车车辆，但他们在最后的润色上仍然有点落后。

RamTheGre721

If you ever find yourself in Madrid you should try the C-9 commuter line. It is a meter-gauge railway that goes up in the mountains of the Sierra de Guadarrama with trains from the 70s! It is a short ride, so it is perfect if you are in Madrid a short time!

如果你在马德里，你应该试试C-9通勤线。这是一条米轨距的铁路，在瓜达拉马山脉的山脉上行驶着70年代的火车！这是一个很短的车程，所以如果你在马德里待的时间很短，体验这个再适合不过了

newfelo

Here in Chile EFE (State's Railway Company) bought several CRRC trains for suburban and Intercity lines, and they have proven to be quite reliable and comfortable... a suburban unit hit a large truck a few weeks ago and it endured the crash quite better than most of us thought

在智利，EFE(国家铁路公司)为郊区和城际线路购买了几列中国中车列车，事实证明它们相当可靠和舒适…几个星期前，郊区的一列车撞上了一辆大卡车，它的承受能力比我们大多数人想象的要好得多

sjokomelk

The CRRC guy at 14:53 is working hard.. At slee over the table.

中国中车的工人工作很努力，趴在桌子上睡。

shawnd-v1660

Now it makes sense why the Waratahs here in Sydney are so loud, but I find that more of a positive since I like hearing the traction motors

现在就能理解为什么悉尼的waratah这么吵了，但我觉得这更有积极意义，我喜欢听牵引马达的声音

xandysaid

Soundproofing has got to be one of the main, and most prevasive problems in CRRC units. For example the Metro do Porto new tramstyle units are very noisy, for trams they are rather squeak when under braking, specially from outside

隔音是中国中车最主要、最普遍的问题之一。例如，波尔图地铁的新有轨电车非常嘈杂，有轨电车在刹车时相当吱吱作响，特别是从外面听

wu05354207

I love the train ! WOW very impressive business class, best i have ever seen !

我喜欢这火车！哇，商务座非常令人印象深刻，是我见过的最好的

KaiHenningsen

I seem to recall Westbahn also bought from CRRC, and even saw one (in a video) in Westbahn colors doing testing.

我记得Westbahn貌似也是从中国中车那里买的，甚至在视频中看到一辆Westbahn颜色的车在做测试。

michaelkeller5008

that business-class- seating looks realy great tbh, also the "standing seats" are a cool concept (though not in inter-regio or eurocity-lines, but i guess in rural areas with travel-times less than 15min that's a great thing to do)

as a former frequent user of the S-Bahn Zürich, i can assure you: Alstom, Stadler and Siemsns do make the same noise. Guess it's all about how much soundproofing was orderd.

商务座的座位看起来真的很棒，而且“站立式座位”是一个很酷的概念。虽然不是在跨地区或欧洲城市线路上，但我想在旅行时间少于15分钟的农村地区，这是一件很棒的事情

作为S-Bahn zrich的前常客，我可以向你保证：阿尔斯通(Alstom)、施泰德(Stadler)和西门子(siemens)的噪音是一样的。我猜这在于用了多少隔音材料。

johnlang4198

The finishing/soundproofing needs to be fixed, but otherwise a decent unit.

CRRC made the HCMT EMUs to serve the new Metro Tunnel in Melbourne, Australia and its associated lines to Sunbury, Cranbourne and Pakenham East.

Whilst the seats on those units are comfortable enough for a suburban train, the ratio of standing to seating is a massive problem. Pakenham East to the city is 60km and takes 80 minutes, Cranbourne 45 km taking an hour, and Sunbury 38km taking about 45 minutes.

All three are extremely busy lines, and the prospect of standing for up to an hour is unappealing to say the least, especially given the generally poor condition of Melbourne's tracks.

内饰/隔音需要改善，除此之外都还不错。

中国中车制造的HCMT动车组服务于澳大利亚墨尔本的新地铁隧道及其通往森伯里、克兰伯恩和帕克纳姆东的相关线路。

虽然这些列车的座位对于郊区火车线路来说已经足够舒适了，但站票与座票的比例是个大问题。帕克纳姆东部到市区60公里，需要80分钟，到克兰伯恩45公里，需要一个小时：到森伯里38公里，大约需要45分钟。

这三条线路都是非常繁忙的，至少要站上一个小时是没有吸引力的，尤其是考虑到墨尔本的轨道状况普遍不佳。

cliffwoodbury5319

Leanback seating may not be that uncomfertable but it should have some padding on the back of the next lean seats.

靠椅背的座位可能并不那么不舒服，但它应该在下一个靠椅背的座位后面加一些填充物。

91djdj

Looks like the CRRC highly prioritses the HSR output. They seem practically perfect

看来中国中车高度重视高速列车的产出。它们看起来几乎是完美的。

czechmatebro

one thing that you didn't notice is that in the business class behind seat 1 there is still plastic peel from the factory. I also kinda hate RegioJet for not paying for their employees' uniforms so they just wear reflective vests. Even though their uniforms look quite nice.

你没有注意到的一件事是，在商务座的1号座位后面，仍然有工厂留下的塑料皮。我也有点讨厌RegioJet不给员工买制服，他们只穿反光背心。尽管他们的制服看起来很漂亮。

Peichen01

CRRC is doing the 777 / 787 thing, thinner soundproofing to make the thing lighter and cheaper. Flying 777 / 787 and A350 / A380 back to back and you'll notice the huge difference. I don't like it but it's a trade off and airlines love the lower operation cost

中国中车正在生产波音777 / 787，更薄的隔音材料使它更轻，更便宜。

波音777 / 787和A350 / A380同时飞，你会注意到巨大的差异。

我不喜欢这点，但这是一种权衡，航空公司喜欢较低的运营成本

ZvonimirZelenika

Not first Chinese trains in operation in Europe - Macedonian Railways have been operating BOTH Chinese-built EMU (Class 411) and DMU (Class 711) trains since 2015-16 (You mention only DMU in video). And while they have been improvement over previous MŽ rolling stock (40-year old DMU units made in Yugoslavia/Croatia on Spanish MACOSA licence) there have been issues with them over time.

并不是第一列在欧洲运营的中国列车——自2015-16年以来，马其顿铁路一直在运营中国制造的动车组(411级)和DMU(711级)列)。

虽然它们已经比以前的MŽ机车车辆（在南斯拉夫/克罗地亚生产的40年历史的DMU，西班牙MACOSA许可证）有所改进，但随着时间的推移，它们一直存在问题。

aboard04

Since I have tried many trains around the globe, I think the noise of a train is mostly caused by the rough or crooked railway. I still remember I almost threw up when commuted between Switzerland and Germany with inter-state train because the crooked and slo railway. I also tried Chinese high speed railway many times: although I did not try the famous”erect a coin” experiment, I quite enjoyed the quietness and stability when the train kept a steady speed of 350km/h.

我体验过世界各地的许多火车，我认为火车的噪音主要是由粗糙或弯曲的铁轨造成的。我还记得当我乘坐瑞士和德国之间的州际列车上下班时，我几乎要吐了，那条弯弯曲曲的铁路。我也试过很多次中国的高铁：虽然我没有试过有名的“竖立一枚硬币”的实验，但我很享受列车保持350公里/小时的稳定速度时的安静和稳定。

cellperfecto406

To think that I'm 1.91 tall, I can't imagine how uncomfortable I would be in the seats...

一想到我有1.91的身高，我就无法想象坐在座位上会有多不舒服……

ALWH1314

Half of the fun watching YouTube video is reading the comments. It is specially interesting when the video involves China. The extreme detailed critiques must be very helpful for these Chinese companies to improve their products that no other country gets.

看YouTube视频一半的乐趣是看评论。当视频涉及到中国时，就更有趣了。这些极端详细的批评肯定对这些中国公司改进他们的产品非常有帮助，这是其他国家没有的待遇。

learningisfun7877

Ultimately, CRRC is looking to expand markets. We've seen this in the automobile industry. To be considered an option would be goal achieved..

最终，中国中车希望扩大市场。我们在汽车工业中看到了这一点。视之为一种选择，目标就实现了。

rezaalan3991

Poor soundproofing may be a problem, but it isn't big problem, the sturdiness of product is need to be solved. Hope this train can compete with local manufacturers.

隔音效果差可能是一个问题，但这不是大问题，产品的坚固性是需要解决的。希望这列火车能与当地制造商竞争。

drdewott9154

I just realised the standard class seats on these are the same seats as Flixtrain uses. Afaik many of the design components in these trains are actually from Czech and polish suppliers.

我刚刚意识到这些标准座位和Flixtrain使用的座位是一样的。这些列车上的许多设计部件实际上来自捷克和波兰的供应商。

jfmezei

CRRC likely underbid others to get contract and sound proofing llikely a victing of this.

Were they built i Europe? assembled in Europe? or shipped fully finished from China? Whenever a manufacturer has to build a new plant to eet "made in <country> rules, expect lots of defects and problems early on because of customizations to the model and inexperienced workers.

中国中车为了拿下合同，报价可能低于其他公司，隔音不太可能成为问题。

它们是在欧洲生产的吗，还是在欧洲组装？还是完全整车从中国发货？每当制造商必须建立新工厂以满足“本地生产”规则时，由于模型的定制和缺乏经验的工人，预计早期会出现许多缺陷和问题。

vrkoven

As it happens, I just today rode on a CRRC car, on the Boston subway. The MBTA had quite an ordeal with CRRC getting delivery, which was delayed time and again. Feature-wise, it's pretty reasonable but with some unfortunate design elements, like rock-hard seats that slip/n/slide la derrière. While you were happy with your business class seat, it seems to me, with the table hemming it in on the side

碰巧的是，我今天刚刚乘坐了一辆中国中车，波士顿地铁。中车的交付一次又一次的延迟，让MBTA饱受折磨。在功能方面，设计相当合理，但也有一些令人遗憾的设计元素，比如石头般坚硬的座椅会滑动。

lpdude2005

We have 150 Stadtler Flirt train sets in Norway. They don't make as much noise, have a much better and larger toilet and have proper chairs and legroom. That was quite uncomfortable to watch.

挪威有150列Stadtler Flirt列车。他们没有那么大的噪音，有更好更大的厕所，有舒适的座位和腿部空间。

AlexDennismiracleboi

Honestly, the sound noise is similar to the Waratahs A and B series trains in Sydney. You hear everything from acceleration to deceleration and they were built as part of consortium between CRRC and Downer rail

老实说，噪音类似于悉尼的Waratahs A系列和B系列火车。你可以听到从加速到减速的所有声音，它们是中国中车和唐纳铁路联合建造的

naruciakk

Frankly, I'd definitely use these standing seats, if you can call them like that, for e.g. 1h trip. Even for health reasons it might be reasonable to stand a bit longer

坦率地说，我肯定会选站立式座位，比如一个小时的旅程。即使是出于健康原因，多站一会儿也是合理的

raktimabose9382

That train looked dark and ominous like the villain's train from The Golden Eye And yes, i will be wary of using a toilet with such "quirky" positioning of urinals.

这列火车看起来阴暗，就像《黄金眼》里反派的火车。是的，使用这种“古怪”的小便池位置的厕所我会很谨慎。

harryschubert2490

I hope they'll also make a smaller version for England.

我希望他们也会为英国制造一个更小的版本。

Brauiz90

The next country for CRRC's trains will be Austria - the private operator Westbahn ordered CRRC units (the first one has been seen in Leipzig, Germany these days...)

中车进军的下一个国家将是奥地利——私营运营商Westbahn订购了中车(最近在德国莱比锡看到了第一列中车…)

4stouffville

This is one of the nicest business class interiors I have every seen in a EMU I would rate a 5.5/10 for the business class and design of the train but WHAT THE HELL ARE STANDING SEATS

这是我在欧洲见过的最好的商务座内饰之一，我给商务座和列车设计打5.5分(满分10分)，但站座是什么鬼？

philkeeve6577

CRRC has made some rolling stock in the US. The new trains on the 'L' are okay, but the ones in Boston have been plagued with serious issues.

中国中车在美国生产了一些机车。L线上的新列车还不错，但波士顿的列车一直存在严重问题。