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为什么菲律宾有这么多中国人,很好奇菲律宾本地人是怎么想的,据我所知中国人看不起菲律宾人

Why is there a lot of Chinese people in the Philippines?  I'm curious about how local Filipinos feel about it.  Based on what I know, Chinese people look down on Filipinos and still living here in the Philippines.

为什么菲律宾有这么多中国人?我很好奇菲律宾本地人是怎么想的。据我所知,中国人看不起菲律宾人,但仍然生活在菲律宾。

 

 

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Jay Li

I want to talk about the phrase "look down". In China, it means something pretty different from elsewhere.

我想谈谈“鄙视”这个词。这个词在中国的意思和其他地方完全不同。

First, since the Philippines is siding with the US right now, and China and the US are really butting heads, possibly even close to a military showdown, the Chinese naturally aren't fans of the US or its buddies. This is kind of what "looking down" is about.

首先,菲律宾现在站在美国那边,而中国和美国相互较劲,甚至还有可能爆发军事对决,中国人自然不会是美国及其伙伴的粉丝。这就是所谓的“鄙视”。

Second, there's the whole anti-colonialism vibe in Chinese culture, which might not click with countries outside China. It's about two things:

(1) Even a small country should beef up on its own, not by clinging to someone else. Otherwise it will lose more.

(2) A big country should respect other countries' cultures and realities.

其次,中国文化中有一种反殖民  主义的氛围,这可能和其他国家不太合拍,主要有两点:

(1)就算是小国,也应该靠自己的力量壮大起来,而不是选择依附他人。否则会得不偿失。

(2)大国应尊重他国的文化和现实。

China's 'look down' attitude is more about opposing colonialism, suggesting 'Why don't you strive on your own, even though it's hard, it's more dignified.' So, to the Chinese, the Philippines, being all in with the US, comes off like a lackey to a colonial power, and yeah, that's seen as "looking down" too.

For the same reason, many Chinese really dig Duterte. If you have seen how Duterte speaks about China in front of Filipinos, you would understand that he is not pro-China. The Chinese understand this but see him as anti-colonial and respect Duterte as pretty down-to-earth when it comes to dealing with China.

中国“鄙视”菲律宾,更多是因为反对殖民 主义,“你为什么自己不努力呢,虽然辛苦,但更有尊严。”所以,对中国人来说,菲律宾靠着美国,就像殖民大国的走狗,是的,所以菲律宾会被人“鄙视”。

出于同样的原因,许多中国人就很喜欢杜特尔特。但如果你看到杜特尔特在菲律宾人面前谈论中国,你就会明白他并不是亲华派。中国人理解这一点,但认为杜特尔特是反殖民   主义者,尊重他在和中国打交道时的务实态度。

Going back to the issue. In China, if you "look down" on someone because they're not as strong economically or militarily, that's seen as super not cool and kind of ignorant. But this kind of logic of “look down” is pretty common in countries that have embraced colonialism.                            China's "look down" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not to do business or interact with the Philippines. It's definitely not about disrespecting Filipino people, but more about a disagreement with certain actions or attitudes at a certain period.

回到问题上来。在中国,如果你因为某人在经济上或军事上不够强大而“鄙视”他,人们会觉得你不厚道,而且还有点无知。但这种“鄙视”的逻辑在接受殖民 主义的国家很常见。中国的“鄙视”与是否跟菲律宾进行商贸或互动完全无关。这绝对不是不尊重菲律宾人,而是对特定时期某些行为或态度的分歧。                   

                                           

 

 

Rand.

Ask your own Filipino officials. They are corrupted to the..bones. Chinese with big bucks could buy off most of third world officials, even to North America..I.e..Canada and USA. During the VN War, they ran the show of South Vietnamese economy thanks to the rotten thugs of South VN Government. That was also one amongst factors which led to Sino- Vietnam border war in 1979. Hat off to NVA of VN.

问问你们菲律宾的官员吧。他们已经烂透了。有钱的中国人可以收买大多数第三世界的官员,甚至也能收买北美(比如加拿大和美国)的官员。在越南战争期间,由于南越政府的腐败,他们操纵了南越经济。这也是导致1979年中越边境战争的因素之一。向越南人民军致敬。

 

 

 

Donna Andrea Dioneda

They are also lots of Chinese people everywhere even In Canada, Vancouver and Toronto.

I worked in Chinese people so called entrepreneurs but it didn't end well because they are shouting in filipino and some of them are not good employers. They're not following rules.

世界各地都有很多中国人,甚至在加拿大的温哥华和多伦多。

我和所谓的中国企业家一起工作,但合作并不愉快,因为他们对菲律宾人大吼大叫,有些根本算不上好雇主。他们也不守规矩。

 

 

 

Felippe Castro

Wrong chinese Filipino immigrated here because Philippines is richer than china. They found good opportunity here. No single person who has a good mind and logic to immigrate to a place where there is nothing to eat. I remember my father told. That they had new chinese neighbor from china (sampalok,Manila 1974) And all Filipino nieghbors had given them foods. Foods in the Phils were abundant.

不对,菲律宾华人移民到菲律宾,是因为菲律宾比中国富裕。他们在菲律宾寻找机遇。有头脑有逻辑思考能力的正常人绝不会移民到不毛之地的。我记得父亲告诉过我,如果有中国来的新邻居,所有菲律宾邻居都会给他们送食物。菲律宾的食物非常丰富。

 

 

 

Defendi Fidel

There’s a difference between a fresh off the boat Chinese immigrant and a fully assimilated person of Chinese descent. The 2nd generation is usually fully assimilated. These are folks that think and act like a normal Filipino. They even consider them as Filipino despite not having any Filipino blood.

Of course, I’ve seen what you’re talking about since I’ve seen it in Divisoria with those Chinese folks that own businesses and are really unruly to their workers. As I said above, their children will be fully assimilated. This is the same for 2nd generation Indian immigrants in the Philippines. Chinese immigrants have it easier blending in since they won’t stick out like a sore thumb in a crowd in the Philippines, unlike Indians.

一个刚下船的中国移民和一个已经被完全同化的华裔后代肯定是不一样的。第二代移民往往就会被完全同化了。这些人的想法和行为都和正常的菲律宾人一样。他们甚至会认为自己是菲律宾人,就算他们并没有菲律宾血统。

当然,我也明白你说的意思,因为我看到过有些在菲律宾拥有企业的中国人对工人非常苛刻。正如我上面所说的,中国人的后代会被完全同化。在菲律宾的第二代印度移民也是如此。中国移民更容易融入当地,因为他们在人群中不会像印度人那样扎眼。

 

 

 

George Limlosuy

You have to differentiate between the ethnic Chinese who are born and have lived in Philippines for a long time, and the newly arrived Chinese from Mainland China. The Chinese had been going Philippines before Philippines became an independent republic, even before the SPanish colonial time.

对在菲律宾出生并生活了很长时间的华人和刚从中国大陆来的华人,你必须分开来讨论。在菲律宾成为独立共和国之前,甚至早在西班牙殖民菲律宾之前,中国人就已经去到菲律宾了。

The present generation mostly born In Philippines are now naturalised or native born Filipinos. They speak the local dialects or Filipino language fluently, attend local schools and universities, go to local churches and socialise with local people. They don’t look down on native Filipinos. In fact, in the old days, the ethnic Chinese were the ones looked down by the native Filipinos. They were called names like “ Intsik beho”, or Ching Chong. They were victims of government officials who extorted money from them, they were not allowed to practice their professions like medicine, accounting or engineering.

现在这一代出生在菲律宾的华人,几乎都是归化的或土生土长的菲律宾人。他们可以说流利的方言或菲律宾语,上当地的学校和大学,去当地的教堂,与当地人交往。他们并没有瞧不起菲律宾本地人。事实上,在过去,华人才是被菲律宾本地人看不起的人。华人是菲律宾政府官员敲诈勒索的对象,他们不得从事医学、会计或工程等专业。

All these changed when President Marcos established Diplomatic relations with China in 1974 and China insisted that the Philippines grant citizenship to Chinese in the Philippines. Today, Chinese Filipinos consider themselves as Filipinos. Many of the younger generation could barely speak their parents dialects. They are more comfortable speaking Filipino or English. They have embraced the Philippine cultural without totally abandoning their parents culture.

1974年马科斯总统与中国建交,中国坚持菲律宾给予在菲华人公民身份,这一切都改变了。今天,菲律宾华人也认为自己是菲律宾人。许多年轻一代几乎不会说父母的方言了。他们更喜欢说菲律宾语或英语。他们接受了菲律宾文化,但并没有完全放弃他们父母的文化。

With regards to the newly arrived Chinese from Mainland China, I think the main problem is they don’t speak the local language and maybe are perceived to be looking down on Filipinos because they only associate among themselves. I think after one or two generations, their descendants will also become Filipinos like the Chinese Filipinos before them, if they are granted citizens rights.

关于现在刚从中国大陆来菲律宾的中国人,我认为主要问题在于他们不会说当地语言,可能会因为只和华人来往而被误以为看不起菲律宾人。我想,如果他们获得公民权,经过一两代人的时间,他们的后代也会像之前的华裔菲律宾人一样成为菲律宾人。

 

 

 

Boboy Gallego

you are right chinese look down on filipinos and even dowsnt follow orders with the police… luckily they came across good policemen… i am a filipino and if i am that policeman i could have do something on these chinese.. yeah, the reason probably is we have a st*p*d leaders who serve and defend china/chinese rather than his oen people… now the poor policemen cannot do anything..

你说得对,中国人看不起菲律宾人,甚至不愿服从警察的命令,幸运的是,他们遇到了好警察。我是菲律宾人,如果我是警察,我可以对这些中国人做点什么。但可能因为我们有一个巴结中国、力挺中国和中国人而不是自己人民的混蛋领导人,现在可怜的警察也什么都做不了了。

 

 

 

Huijian Wu

Chinese-Filipinos, those of Filipino or dual nationality who are of Chinese descent and were born and reside in the Philippines, number about 1.1 million and mostly speak the Min-Tai language. If the mixed Chinese ethnic group is also taken into account, there are at least more than 20 percent of Filipinos of Chinese ancestry in the Philippines (the highest claim is over 30 percent).

The Sangley Rebellion, which refers to the massacres carried out by the Spanish-Portuguese Commonwealth in 1603, 1609, 1639 and 1662 against Chinese speakers of Chinese dialects in Luzon by Spain (the Spanish-Portuguese Commonwealth was dissolved), was the pretext for six massacres against Chinese in the Philippines, killing nearly 100,000 Chinese.

菲律宾华人,即在菲律宾出生和居住、拥有菲律宾或双重国籍的华人后裔,人数约为110万,他们大多讲闽台语。如果把混血华人族群也考虑在内,菲律宾至少有20%以上的菲律宾人拥有中国血统(最高的说法是超过30%)。

桑格利叛乱指的是西班牙于1603年、1609年、1639年和1662年在吕宋岛对讲汉语方言的中国人进行的大屠杀。桑格利叛乱是在菲律宾对华人进行的六次大屠杀的托词,造成了近10万中国人的死亡。

A large number of Chinese lived in the Philippines before the 16th century. You are telling me that these Chinese lived in your country?

In other words, the Indians could have said, why did you Europeans, Africans and Asians, stay in our America?

I would suggest the questioner to get a genetic analysis done, after all 30% is a high percentage, maybe the questioner's ancestors were Chinese.

早在16世纪之前就有大量中国人居住在菲律宾了。你是说这些中国人住在你们国家?

换句话说,印第安人也可以说,你们欧洲人,非洲人和亚洲人凭什么留在我们的美洲大陆?

我建议题主做一个基因分析,毕竟30%是一个很高的百分比,题主的祖先搞不好也是中国人。

 

 

 

Shawn

There are a lot of Chinese people living in many countries of the world, including my own, Canada. And it is often thought that Chinese people look down on almost every culture and nationality in the world except for their own.

According to the South China Morning Post article, “Who are the world’s worst tourists? Six nations that stand out - you may be surprised”:

“Chinese travellers often make headlines, but with 122 million of them going overseas on holiday in 2016, a tiny few can create a skewed impression.”

According to a Pew Research survey, Chinese people have a lesser view of many countries in the world than the citizens of that country have of China:

有很多中国人生活在世界上许多国家,包括我老家加拿大。人们常常认为,除了中国人自己,中国人看不起几乎全世界所有的文化和民族。

据《南华早报》一篇题为《谁是全世界最糟糕的游客?这六个国家可能会让你感到惊讶》

“中国游客经常登上新闻头条,1.22亿中国人出国度假,一小部分人可能会给当地人留下不好的印象。”

根据皮尤研究中心的一项调查,中国人对世界上许多国家的看法不如那些国家的公民对中国的看法。

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A few noticeable examples:

India and China have roughly the same view of each other. 30% of Chinese have a favourable view of India. 31% of Indians have a favourable view of China

8% of China has a favourable view of Japan. 7% of Japan has a favourable view of China.

Pakistan would be much like the Philippines in terms of views of each other. Only 30% of Chinese are favourable toward Pakistan. Yet 78% of Pakistanis are favourable to China.

The opposite is true of the US. 35% of Americans are favourable toward China. But 50% of Chinese are favourable toward US.

有些值得注意的例子:

印度和中国对彼此的看法大致相同。30%的中国人对印度有好感,31%的印度人对中国有好感。

8%的中国人对日本有好感,7%的日本人对中国有好感。

巴基斯坦和菲律宾对彼此的看法很相似。只有30%的中国人支持巴基斯坦,但有78%的巴基斯坦人支持中国。

美国的情况正好相反。只有35%的美国人支持中国,但有50%的中国人支持美国。

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