为什么印度空军不用阵风战机完全取代俄罗斯米格战机

Why doesn't the Indian Air Force replace Russian MiG fighters with Rafale completely?

为什么印度空军不用阵风战机完全取代俄罗斯米格战机？

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Joy Ganguli

Some attention is needed in the following areas:

All aircrafts come with depreciation.

The technologies becomes obsolete and needs fresh induction of newer series of machines.

The Mig 23, and the Mig 27 have been retired .

The Mig 21 is a tricky proposition, though old and unsafe still packs a punch.

Remember it shot the F16 down. And this is a fact.

Now comes the venerated Mig 29.

以下因素是我们需要注意的：

所有的飞机都会折旧。

技术会过时，需要更新换代。

米格23和米格27都已经退役。

米格21是一个棘手的问题，尽管已经陈旧、不够安全，但仍然强而有力。

记得吧，米格21曾击落F16。这是事实。

现在是备受推崇的米格29。

The Mig 29 was a hallowed project in Russia with the development shielded and satellite views were not even avaliable to the USA .

The aircraft remains one of the best dog fighters ever created on the planet .

事实上，米格29在俄罗斯是一个神圣的项目，研发受到了保护，连美国都无法获得它的卫星视图。

这架飞机仍然是地球上有史以来最出色的战斗机之一。

Furthur

Rafales are pricey and would burn a hole in the exchequer ‘s pocket.. if we perceive, the spares for the Mirage 2000 is showing some paucity with the abandonment of this platform in France. What if Rafale goes in the same direction after say 25 years.

接着说

阵风战机的价格太高了，财政部无力负担。也许我们已经发现了，因为法国放弃了幻影2000，幻影2000的备件开始出现一些短缺。如果25年后“阵风”战斗机也出现这个问题呢？

It is always a sound decision as the Ministry says “all eggs in one basket” , should never be the case .

A mix of sciences is better to baffle the enemy ..

财政部说”把所有鸡蛋都放在一个篮子里”，绝不是明智之举。

科学的综合运用更能迷惑敌人。

Utkarsh Shukla

You want all Mig series fighter to be replaced with Rafale? Let's see

The IAF has these jets of Mig series-

你想把所有米格系列战斗机都换成阵风？让我们一起看看

印度空军拥有以下米格系列战机

1- Mig 21 bison

1-米格21野牛

2- Mig 29

2-米格29

These aircrafts present in 14 squadron of IAF!

If we see number of aircraft it would around 250. To completely replace them with Rafale we need additional 214 jets as 36 are already in order.

这些飞机现在在印度空军的14个中队服役！

这些飞机的数量在250架左右。如果要用阵风全部取代它们，我们还要再采购214架阵风战机，之前已经订购了36架。

Now if you look at the price let us assume the price to be 100 million dollar per plane( there is a controversy on price of Rafale so I just have took the common price of such jets.) to buy 214 it would cost india:-

21.4 billion dollar

India certainly doesn't has a defence budget that large. So to repalce Migs a better choice is Tejas which is cheaper than Rafale and can fit the requirements of IAF.

现在来看看价格，假设每架飞机的价格是1亿美元(阵风的价格存在争议，我只取了这类飞机的普通价格)，购买214架阵风飞机需要花费：

214亿美元

印度当然没有那么大的国防预算。所以想要取代米格战机，更好的选择是光辉战机，它比阵风战机便宜，也能满足印度空军的要求。

Saratchandra Bhuvee

As per current price this is expensive, in 2012 nd 2014 Dassult Aviation won the order of 126 nos. @ rs. 746 crs each fighter jet by IAF.

按照目前的价格，成本非常高昂，2012年和2014年，达索航空公司拿下了印度空军126架战斗机的订单，总金额达到74.6亿卢比。

Other nations are RD in 5th nd 6th generation fighters , why we should bother about 4.5.

Recently GOI invited 100 p.c. FDIs in defence sector also, TATA nd L& T also working with DRDO in Make in India programme.

Indian 5th /5.5/ Stealth technology AMCA project is under progress by HAL in Dindigal of TN. Design finalized, engine wise two options one is GE US, but HAL interested indigenous Kaveri K10 engine may end of 2025 first IAF Stealth/ 5th generation fighter will take off.

其他国家都已经开始研发第五代和第六代战斗机了，为什么我们还在采购4.5代战机。

最近印度政府为国防部邀请了100项外国直接投资，塔塔和L&T公司也与印度国防研究与发展组织合作开展“印度制造”项目。

印度第5代/ 5.5代/先进中型隐形战斗机项目由印度航空公司进行。目前已经完成设计，发动机方面有两个选择，一个是美国的通用电气公司，但印度航空公司对国产的Kaveri K10发动机感兴趣，可能会在2025年底首架印度空军隐形/第5代战斗机使用。

Till that with the 36 Raffles nd Tejas MK1/ LCA part of IAF squadrons, IAF targeted end of 2026 42 squadrons, means better to part of Make in India only, if any purchases from others technology transfer, training, maintenance, spares headaches are rise. Jaihind

印度空军的中队中目前拥有36架阵风战斗机以及光辉MK1/轻型战斗机，印度空军的目标是在2026年底前拥有42个中队，如果要从其他国家购买技术转让、培训、维护和备件，那最好是能在印度进行制造。印度必胜。

Rajit Suri

It depends upon the role of aircraft. MIG21 is an intercepter thus to be replaced by Tejas. air doMinance role is taken by Su30 MKI and second line of defense by MIG29 UPG, while multi role and ground attack by Mirage 2000, Jaguars and now Rafale. Rafale will have more role to play.

这取决于飞机的作用。米格21是一种拦截机，因此将被光辉战机取代。苏30 MKI担任空中主导角色，米格29 UPG担任第二道防线，幻影2000、美洲虎和现在的阵风担任多角色和对地攻击角色。阵风战斗机可以扮演更多角色。

Arijit Mandal

Each type of aircraft has a different purpose & different operational profile. If does make sense to find a replacement for Mig-21 immediately, Jags in 5–10 years time, M2000 in 10–15 Years etc. But there is no reason or sense to replace them all with Rafale. We need to look at the ownership costs of each aircraft Vs its operational requirement. Rafales are good, but expensive, Maybe India will buy another 36 of them at the Max, to use the infra that has already been set up for them. But even if the new order is cheaper than current order, it will still be in the range of 1 Rafale = 4 Tejas. Money available also needs to be distributed to Army, Navy & All other Civil needs.

每种类型的飞机都有不同的用途和不同的操作档案。我们是可以立即寻找米格-21的替代品，用5-10年的时间寻找捷格的替代品，用10-15年的时间寻找幻影2000的替代品。但没理由也没道理将它们全部都换成阵风。我们需要研究每架飞机的持有成本与操作要求。阵风战机是很好，但是也很贵，也许印度会再买36架，这是极限了，这样可以利用先前已采购的阵风战机的配套设施。但就算新订单的价格下调，1架阵风的价格还是约等于 4架光辉。国防部的可用资金还要分配给陆军、海军和其他民用需求。

Gautam Gautam

MiGs r very cheap compare to Rafale. You can buy 03 Mig 29 or 02 mig 35 in a cost of single Rafale. MIGs are very good for rough use ,easy to maintain. We r used to Russian technology more. 01 vs 03 is always advantage. Never keep all eggs in a single basket. Russia and France both are friendly countries.

米格战机比阵风战机便宜多了。你可以用一架阵风战机买到3架米格-29或2架米格-35。米格战机非常皮实，易于维护。我们也更习惯俄罗斯的技术。1:3 永远有优势。不要把所有的鸡蛋都放在同一个篮子里。俄罗斯和法国都是友好国家。

Chetan Rastogi

Dependency on a single fighter is dangerous and mig can do what rafel cant and rafale can do what mig can not mig 29 is sexy beast bro its wepon carry capicity at higher altitude with fuel is +1g and its a lot it can manuver so smooth it can reach high speed its a beast and after upg upgrade mig 29 is nightmare for any fighter aircraft do you know ? That america fear this fighter so much that they bought some mig 29 earlier version from poland like 24 of them and american pilot said that mig are so versatile that it can outperform any american made f15 or f16 then usa upgrade thier fighter according to mig

完全依赖一种战斗机，是非常危险的，米格能做到拉斐尔做不到的事，阵风也能做到米格做不到的事，米格-29是头性感的野兽，它在高海拔地区的武器携带能力更大，能平稳地提到高速，升级后的米格-29是所有战斗机的噩梦，你知道吗？美国也很担心这种战斗机，他们从波兰购买了一些米格-29的早期版本，美国飞行员说米格是全能选手，足以超越美国F-15或F-16，然后美国根据米格战斗机的性能升级了自己的战斗机。

Awadhesh Kumar

IAF would love to replace all the 120 MiG21 Bisons still serving with Rafale , if someone is ready to foot the bill and if all 120 Rafales are available in one go or in a very short time period . Bisons have demonstrated , how formidable they remain and F16s have felt its sting .

You must be seeing that first batch of Rafales have started coming only after 3 years of placing the orders . All 36 are expected only by end 2022 . So you can calculate the time frame required for getting additional 84 even if the order is placed now . By that time , as it is Bisons will start getting replaced by Tejas Mk2 .

如果有人愿意买单，如果所有120架“阵风”战机可以一次性交付或在很短的时间内交付，那么印度空军肯定很乐意将所有120架“米格21野牛”战机替换为“阵风”战机。野牛证明了自己依然强大，F-16也奈他不何。

你肯定也发现了，订购了3年的第一批阵风战机最近才开始交付。这36架阵风战机2022年底才全部交付。因此，即便现在就下订单，您也能算算多加84架飞机要等多久。等到那时，野牛也会被光辉Mk2取代了吧。

Next there are various types of operational roles for the fighters , a bulk of them are of “ routine “ nature . For such routine tasks more numbers are required , implying they should be much more affordable cost wise . So this kind of slot will be taken up by Tejas variants . Analogy wise ,You certainly do not deploy the PARA SF for routine guard duties , so replacing Bisons with Rafale will look similar .

IAF will certainly not like to replace the MiG29 s because they are still very good and can carry on for a decade and half more and get replaced by our own AMCA .

其次，战斗机有各种类型的作战角色，其中大部分是”常规”属性。对于这些常规任务，飞机数量才是最重要的，这意味着飞机的价格应该更实惠些。所以这些空缺会被光辉战机的变种补上。打个比方，你肯定不会把帕拉SF部署在常规防守任务上，所以用阵风取代“野牛”也是差不多。

印度空军肯定不喜欢替换米格-29，因为它们还很好用，可以再用15年以上，然后再用我们自己的先进中型战斗机替换它们。

Mitul Singhal

two reasons :

each plane has a role to play , we cannot replace a plane with another plane just beacause it is advanced or latest

second , replacing planes and buying a new one is a process that will take atleast 10 years , as you can see in the case of rafale , the deal took approx 15 years of take place , so suppose we start replacing them , on an average bu the time we get them replaced they become outdated ,

有两个原因：

每架飞机都有自己的作用，我们不能因为一架飞机更先进或更新就换掉原有的飞机。

第二，更换飞机和采购新飞机至少花费需要10年的时间，比如阵风战机，这笔交易花了大约15年的时间，所以假设我们现在开始更换战机，一般而言，等我们拿到手的时候，它们也都过时了。

Baisil Sunny

Probably because the government doesnt print money and give it to the airforce….if they did that it would cause a massive inflation ….. so our armed forces are restricted to the annual budget ….

If we increase the budget then we could probably buy that many rafales….

可能是因为政府没有印钱给空军吧....如果他们真的印钱给空军，就会导致大规模的通货膨胀.....因此，我们部队的花销只能卡在年度预算范围内....

如果我们增加预算，我们可能会采购足够的阵风战机....

Rahul Patil

Money.

Each of these Rafales costs upwards of $80 million, and that’s without the weapons and other supporting equipment, which are not compatible with the Russian aircraft

钱。

每架阵风战斗机的成本超过8000万美元，这还不包括武器和其他配套设备，这些设备与俄罗斯飞机不兼容

Rajender Kumar

Why doesn't the Indian Air Force replace Russian MiG fighters with Rafale completely?

There’s not enough money available for the purchase!

印度空军为什么不把俄罗斯的米格战机全部换成阵风战机？

因为印度没钱买呗！

Karthik Krishna

Who will pay for all those Rafale? Only MIG 21 should be phased out and MIG 29 can be used atleast for an another decade.

谁来为阵风战机买单呢？也只有米格-21是必须更换的，米格-29至少还能再用10年呢。