日本和韩国属于突厥民族吗

Are Japan and Korea belonging to the Turkic nations?

日本和韩国属于突厥民族吗？

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Sky

No. They don’t belong to the Turkic nations，but they are very closely related to each other.

Proto-Turkic languages spoken in Northeast Asia date back at least 6000 years ago

These Ancient-Northeast Asians influenced the Liao River civilization/Hongshan culture 红山文化 (6,500-5,000 BP)（Japan and Korea）

不。他们不属于突厥民族，但他们确实关系密切。

东北亚地区使用的原始突厥语可以追溯到至少6000年前。

这些古代的东北亚人影响了辽河文明/红山文化(6500 - 5000 BP)(日本和朝鲜)

3000 years ago, the agricultural ancestors of the Turkic peoples probably migrated westwards into Mongolia and Southern Siberia, form Ulaanzuukh-Slab Grave，they have been shown to have a purely Northeast Asian profile (nearly 100% ANA)

2000 years ago, They came into contact with scytho-Siberians, such as the Chandman-Uyuk cultures, Tagar culture, Pazyryk culture

3000年前，从事农耕的突厥人祖先可能向西迁移到蒙古和西伯利亚南部，形成了乌兰朱和-石板墓文化，他们已被证实具有纯粹的东北亚特征(几乎100%的ANA)。

2000年前，他们和西伯利亚人产生交流，如昌德曼遗址文化、塔加尔文化、帕兹里克文化。

The iongnu displayed striking heterogeneity and could be differentiated into two subgroups, "Western iongnu" and "Eastern iongnu", with the former being of "hybrid" origins displaying affinity to previous Saka tribes, such as represented by the Chandman culture, while the later was of primarily Ancient Northeast Asian (Ulaanzuukh-Slab Grave ) origin.

High status iongnu individuals tended to have less genetic diversity, and their ancestry was essentially derived from the Eastern Eurasian Ulaanzuukh/Slab Grave culture +Khövsgöl LBA .

匈奴具有非常明显的异质性，可划分为“西匈奴”和“东匈奴”两个亚群，其中西匈奴具有“混血”起源，和以昌德曼文化为代表的萨卡部落存在亲缘关系，而东匈奴则主要源于古代东北亚(乌兰朱和-石板墓)。

地位较高的匈奴人往往具有较低的遗传多样性，他们的祖先主要来自欧亚东部的乌兰朱和-石板墓文化及库苏古尔省青铜晚期文化。

West Liao River farmers themselves can be modelled to be derived from the combination of two Ancient Northern East Asian lineages, namely "Neolithic Yellow River farmers/O2" and Ancient Northeast Asians (Amur hunter-gatherers/C2) during the Neolithic period.

西辽河农夫是两个古代东亚北部血统的结合，即新石器时代的“新石器时代黄河农民/O2”和古代东北亚人(阿穆尔河狩猎采集者/C2)。

Harry Wong

japanese, korean, mongolian, tungusic n turkish belong to the trans Eurasian family r claimed to have emerged from a common ancestor who farmed northeast china some 9,000 yrs ago

日本人、朝鲜人、蒙古人、通古斯人和土耳其人属于跨欧亚语系，据称他们是由9000年前在中国东北耕种的共同祖先进化而来的。

David Joanisse

No, Japanese and Korean are classified as “isolated” languages. Korean is spoken only in the Korean Peninsula while Japanese is spoken in the Japanese Home Islands. They are not related to each other; nor are they related to Han Chinese, which is a tonal language belonging to the Hanyu group of languages.

不，日语和韩语被归类为“孤立的”语言。韩语只在朝鲜半岛使用，而日语只在日本本土使用。韩语和日语彼此没有关系；它们和汉语也没有关系，汉语是一种属于汉语族群的声调语言。

HEX Agon

They all may have some ancient cultural and linguistic ties, but the two are not considered Turkic. They are included in the Transeurasian / Altaic language group and the hypothetical family.

他们可能和一些古老的文化及语言有关系，但并不是突厥人。他们被划入外欧亚/阿尔泰语系和族裔。

Cade Ellis

Are Japan and Korea belonging to the Turkic nations?

Japan and Korea are EAST ASIAN nations, NOT ‘Turkic nations’.

East Asian nations:

日本和朝鲜属于突厥民族吗？

日本和韩国是东亚国家，不是“突厥国家”。

Taner Mutlu

Yes they are in the Altay Family

是的，他们属于阿勒泰家族

Menon Jayjay

No, language is not Turkic

Culture is not Turkic

Looks are not Turkic

不，他们的语言不是突厥语系

他们的文化不是突厥文化

他们的长相也不是突厥长相

Hiro-o Ekimae

HAHAHAHAHAAAA

Turkic nations could only WISH to be the same as Japan and Korea.

Unfortunately, they can’ be. They’re not smart enough.

哈哈哈哈哈

突厥国家倒是希望可以和日本、韩国一样。

但很不幸，他们不一样。他们不够聪明。

Sky

Do Koreans belong to the Turkic nations?

A recent 2021 study triangulating genetics, archaeology and linguistics in a unified perspective, supports agricultural spread of the Transeurasian (Altaic) languages.

Koreans are closely related to Turks genetically, and so are the same for the Mongols, Manchus.....

朝鲜人属于突厥民族吗？

最近2021年的一项研究从统一的角度对遗传学、考古学和语言学进行了三重考量，支持了跨欧亚语系(阿尔泰语系)随着农业活动进行传播。

韩国人在基因上与土耳其人密切相关，蒙古人、满族人也一样.....

According to the results published by Nature (journal), Turkic, Mongolic, Koreanic, Japonic and Tungusic languages can be traced back to the first farmers moving across Northeast Asia from the Early Neolithic onwards, where they split from a common ancestor around the Liaodong Gulf, near Korea, 9000 years ago.

The Liao River Civilization(遼河文明)

興隆窪文化 (inglongwa culture): major Y-DNA N

趙宝溝文化 (Zhaobaogou culture): major Y-DNA N

紅山文化 (Hongshan culture): major Y-DNA N O2 C2

夏家店下層文化 (iajiadian culture): major Y-DNA O2

Origin of Koreans: Liao River/Manchuria(O2a+N1a+C2) + Korean peninsula natives (O1b2)

根据发表在《自然》杂志上的研究结果，突厥语、蒙古语、朝鲜语、日语和通古斯语都可以追溯到新石器时代早期横跨东北亚的第一批农民，他们在9000年前从靠近朝鲜的辽东湾附近的共同祖先中分离出去。

辽河文明(遼河文明)

兴隆洼文化：主要是Y-DNA N

赵宝沟文化：主要是Y-DNA N

紅山文化：主要是Y-DNA N O2 C2

夏家店下层文化：主要是Y-DNA O2

朝鲜族起源：辽河/满洲(O2a+N1a+C2) +朝鲜半岛土著(O1b2)

(O2+C2+N1) enter the Korean peninsula,where they assimilated the earlier inhabitants of the peninsula(O1b).

Goguryeo was a diverse mixture of northern Han Chinese, Fuyu（Tungusic people） and other ethnicities, all of whom lived in a place that straddled Northern China and northern Korean peninsula under Goguryeo’s rule, and the ruling family was ethnically Fuyu (Buyeo)

Goguryeo dominant haplogroup O2+C2，their language is related to the Altaic language family, and their writing system is related to the Northern Han Chinese

(O2+C2+N1)进入朝鲜半岛，在那里他们同化了半岛的早期居民(O1b)。

高句丽是一个由北方汉族、扶余族(通古斯人)和其他民族组成的多元国家，这些民族都生活在高句丽统治下横跨中国北部和朝鲜半岛北部的地方，统治的家族是扶余族。

高句丽人优势单倍群O2+C2，他们的语言与阿尔泰语系有关，文字与北方汉人有关

The first Turks were a mix of NOC，just like the Koreans.

N1a has been found with greatest frequency among indigenous peoples of Siberian

Tuvas：

21.4%N(xN3)-M231，17,5 %N1a1，14,9 %C2

18 %P, Q, R* и R2（14 %Q1a3），12,7 % R1a

Khakas：44 %N1a2b-P43，20 %N1a1-Tat，28 %R1a1a

Yakuts：According to Adamov, haplogroup N1c/N1a1-Tat makes up 94% of the Sakha population

Dolgans：22,4 %N1a1-Tat，11,9 %N1a2b-P43，37,3 %C2，16,4 %R1a，1.4%Q

第一批突厥人是NOC的混血，就像韩国人一样。

在西伯利亚土著居民中发现N1a的概率最高

图瓦人：

21.4%N(xN3)-M231，17,5 %N1a1，14,9 %C2

18% P，Q, R и R2(14% Q1a3)，12.7% R1a

哈卡斯人：44% N1a2b-P43，20% N1a1-Tat，28% R1a1a

雅库特人：根据阿达莫夫的说法，单倍群N1c/N1a1-Tat占萨哈人口的94%

多尔干人：22,4 %N1a1-Tat，11,9 %N1a2b-P43，37,3 %C2，16,4 %R1a，1.4%Q

The Turkic people expanded west from Mongolia or Manchuria. then formed western empires like the Khazar, Kangar, Kara-Khanid, Seljuq, Timurid, gradually assimilating Western Asian genes

As they moved towards the West, they left the big stele full of inscriptions in summary of their history with the Koguryo

They call ancient Koreans their brother

突厥人从蒙古或满洲向西扩张，形成了西方帝国，如哈扎尔, 别拉策科夫, 立黑汗，由塞尔柱，帖木儿，逐渐吸收了西亚人的基因

他们在向西迁移的过程中，留下了一块刻有碑文的大石碑，总结了他们与高句丽的历史

他们称古代朝鲜人为兄弟。

Oleksii Park

Do Koreans belong to the Turkic nations?

No. We don’t belong to the Turkic nations. They speak Turkic languages as their mother tongue. Koreans speak Koreanic languages.

But it seems ancient Turks, iongnu are genetically close to Koreans. Here are genetic distances between Koreans and other modern and ancient ethnic groups.

韩国人属于突厥民族吗？

不。我们不属于突厥民族。突厥人以突厥语为母语。韩国人说的是朝鲜语。

但古代突厥人和匈奴人在基因上与朝鲜人似乎很接近。以下是韩国人和其他现代、古代民族之间的基因差距。

The genetic distance between modern Koreans and ancient iongnus is smaller than the distance between modern Koreans and Chinese and the distance between modern Koreans and Mongolians(it is not shown in the image because the distance is too huge).

However, genetic proxmity doesn’t make Koreans a Turkic nation. A nation is defined by its language.

现代韩国人和古代匈奴人的基因差距比现代韩国人和中国人的基因差距、以及现代韩国人和蒙古人的基因差距都要更小(现代韩国人和蒙古人的基因差距太大，图中没有显示)。

但基因差距小并不能证明韩国人就是突厥民族。一个民族是根据语言来定义的。

Dong-Yoon Lee

Do Koreans belong to the Turkic nations?

韩国人属于突厥民族吗？

Well, because our two nations have good relationship, saying “Koreans belonged to Turks.” or “Turks belonged to Koreans.” will not generate quarrelling. Most of all, because we are far apart from each other, we are not vigilante to the other, and don't doubt territorial ambition of other side.

嗯，因为我们两国关系很好，所以说“韩国人属于突厥人”或者“突厥人属于韩国人”不会引发争论。最重要的是，因为我们彼此相距遥远，我们不会彼此保持警惕，也不会怀疑对方的领土野心。

By the way, Turks don't fight with themselves because they have learned a lessson of unity firmly because they had to unwantedly migrated from East Asian homeland from Tang dynasty's continuous strategy of “Dividing them and making them to fight themselves”. But Koreans are not so yet. We still fight each other as North and South.

顺便说一下，突厥人不会内斗，他们已经吸取教训，团结一致，因为他们因为唐朝持续实施的“分裂突厥，让他们陷入内斗”的战略被迫从东亚家园迁走。但韩国还没吸取教训，南北朝鲜至今依然互相争斗。

And, we Koreans have kept original cultures of Turko-Korean confederacy (maybe iongnu) much more, and Turks know it well and admit it. And we Koreans also know Turks had influenced to Koreans much, and admit it. So, it is not probable that two nations quarrell about origin of cultures. I have never seen such complaints in South Korea in historian community. Only some Korean historians say “It is not that there was no unique culture of native Koreans.”.

而且，我们韩国人更多地保留了突厥-朝鲜联盟(可能是匈奴)的原始文化，突厥人对此非常了解，也承认了这一点。我们韩国人也知道突厥人对韩国人的影响很大。因此，两个国家不太可能因为文化的起源而争吵。我从未在韩国历史学界看到过这样的抱怨。只有一些韩国历史学家说：“韩国本土并非没有独特文化。”

Boz Ajan

Are Koreans related to Turkic people?

Apparently yes, because they belong to the Altaic-Tungusic family or branch, and Altai mountains are the ancestral home of the Turkic people. They also tend to be taller and sturdier built than the Chinese and Japanese for instance.

韩国人和突厥人有亲缘关系吗？

很显然是有的，因为他们属于阿尔泰-通古斯家族或分支，阿尔泰山是突厥人的祖居之地。他们也比中国人和日本人更高、更强壮。

Vladislav Lyubimenko

Have the Korean and Japanese languages any connection with Turkic and Altaic groups?

I cannot help but see a connection, one is adding ka/ga to mean ? And in Turkic you ma/ba etc. in the same way to make it a question. And also the desu, in our language you have a “dep” which actually just means “saying”, it’s used in a similar way. Maybe there’s some difference but I’m not aware of any other languages that do this

朝鲜语和日语与突厥语和阿尔泰语系有什么联系吗？

我发现了一个联系，朝鲜语和日语会在句子里加ka/ga的发音来表示疑问？在突厥语中，会用ma/ba等发音把句子变成一个提问。另外，日语中有desu，在突厥语中有“dep”，其实就是“话说”的意思，用法也很类似。也许他们之间存在着一些不同，但我没有在其他语种发现这种相似。