美国网友评论：抖音起诉美国政府，称禁令违反第一修正案，

TikTok sues U.S. government, saying potential ban violates First Amendment

抖音起诉美国政府，称禁令将违反第一修正案

TikTok is suing the U.S. government to stop enforcement of a bill passed last month that seeks to force the app’s Chinese owner to sell the app or have it banned.

TikTok正在起诉美国政府，要求其停止执行上个月通过的一项法案，该法案意图迫使TikTok从中国企业中剥离出来，否则将会被美国政府封禁。

The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for Washington, D.C., argues that the bill, the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, violates constitutional protections of free speech.

周二在华盛顿特区的美国巡回上诉法院提起的诉讼称，这个名为《保护美国人免受外国对手控制的应用程序侵害法案》违反了美国宪法对言论*由的保护。

The suit calls the law an “unprecedented violation” of the First Amendment.

该诉讼称该法律“史无前例地违反了”第一修正案。

“For the first time in history, Congress has enacted a law that subjects a single, named speech platform to a permanent, nationwide ban,” TikTok wrote in the lawsuit, “and bars every American from participating in a unique online community with more than 1 billion people worldwide.”

TikTok在诉讼中写道：“美国国会史无前例地颁布了一项法律，要在全国范围内永久封禁一个发表言论的平台，并严禁所有美国人参与一个全球用户已超10亿人的独特的在线社区。”

以下是reddit网友的评论

anti-torque

I'm confused.

Does a foreign entity have standing as a US citizen?

Are foreign corporations people too?

我很困惑。

外国企业具有美国公民身份吗？

外国公司是人吗？

SuccessfulInitial236

Whether they are foreign or not, a corporation has similar rights and responsibilities to a person in many countries, including the USA.

在包括美国在内的许多国家，无论企业是不是外国企业，都有与个人类似的权利和责任。

TitoMPG

Most usa corps don't support jury duty in any capacity

大多数美国企业都不支持陪审团义务

Specialist_Brain841

then why arent their donations capped like normal people

那为什么他们的捐款不像普通人一样，存在上限呢

Der_Missionar

Except congress has the right to relate commerce, especially international commerce. That's how we can stop Intel from selling chips to huawei.

国会有权处理商业活动，特别是国际商业活动。我们也是这样严禁英特尔向华为出售芯片的。

ImaginaryBig1705

Yea not a single person should give a fuck about this.

I want my government to give them the big middle finger not our tax dollars.

是的，大家无需关心这起事件。

我希望我的政府对他们竖起中指，而不是紧盯着我们的税金。

STOP-IT-NOW-PLEASE

Yes! You! Why do people give a crap about these damn companies!

是的！你！为什么要在乎这些公司！

mpbh

You want your government to be more like them by the sound of it.

你希望你的政府更像他们一点吗？

alc4pwned

Nearly all of that “US/Singapore based” company is ultimately owned by the Chinese company Bytedance though, just to be clear.

澄清一下，这家”总部位于美国/新加坡”的公司几乎全由中国公司字节跳动所有。

CyndiIsOnReddit

We have this through executive order. It's limited to countries of concern, but given the evidence for espionage out of China this would apply, and that's why they're requiring TikTok divestment.

我们是通过行政命令来实现的。这仅仅局限于那些令人担忧的国家，不过中国的间谍活动已有实证，也适用，所以他们要求TikTok撤资。

pandacraft

The constitution applies to non citizens so as long as we’re pretending businesses are people this is consistent

宪法也适用于非公民，所以只要我们把企业当做自然人，就都是一样的。

joranth

Technically not true. Parts do, parts don’t. There are many parts that specifically apply to citizens, and call that out, such as the right to vote or to hold certain offices such as president and vice president.

严格来说，这不是事实。有的地方真，有的地方假。有许多内容是只适用于公民的，比如投票权或担任某些职务的权利，如总统和副总统。

joranth

The bill of rights though, including the first amendment in this instance, is not explicitly applied to citizens, so that does apply to all people, foreign or not.

《权利法案》，包括第一修正案，并没有明确表示适用于公民，所以它适用于所有人，无论是外国人还是本国人。

C45

Plain reading of the text of the decision would conclude that tiktok US, which is registered and incorporated in America, is a distinct legal entity from it's parent company -- and thus has full first amendment rights.

草草浏览这项决定的文本内容，你会得出结论，即在美国注册的TikTok美国是一个与其母公司不同的法律实体，因此拥有第一修正案的全部权利。

Aggressive-Aide-1658

The people who use it have first amendment rights, the platform itself is just a place to post those things. Which you can also do on numerous other sites that do not compromise your data and feed it to foreign entities.

使用这个平台的人拥有第一修正案赋予的权利，平台本身只是一个发表内容的地方。你在很多网站上都能这么做，这些网站不会泄露你的数据并出售给外国企业。

MR_Se7en

Corporations are filed in each country they do business in and seeing how the USA has the 14th amendment, the answer you’re looking for is YES.

企业会在他们开展商业活动的国家进行注册，看看美国是如何推出第14修正案的，你想知道的答案就是：是的。

anti-torque

I find it interesting, because my understanding is that anyone who is here legally has standing, but the law will make them not here legally.

我觉得这个事件很有趣，因为按照我的理解，所有通过合法方式进入美国的人都有立场，但法律会把他们变成非法行为。

RightNutt25

I’m sure the logic is that there is an American registered branch of the corporation.

我确信，这起事件的逻辑是这家企业有一个在美国注册的分公司。

BODYBUTCHER

The usa has complete control over interstate commerce and can force a company to divest, there’s nothing new here

美国完全控制着州际商贸，可以迫使一家企业撤资，这已经不是什么新闻了

AllCredits

Have you looked at the legal definition of US citizen? It includes trusts, corporations, associations or other entities organized under U.S. laws 42 USC 9102

你看过美国公民的法律定义吗？它涵盖了根据美国法律42 USC 9102建立的信托、公司、协会或其他实体

Trajen_Geta

If they win it will just be a continuation of what has been happening with corporations. If they lose then there is another strong case to take away personhood from a corporation.

如果他们赢了，这样的事还会不断涌现。如果他们输了，那么美国就又有了一个判例，可以据此剥夺其他公司的人格了。

BaseballNRockAndRoll

Except no one will try to pass a law to protect individuals against the likes of Google or Facebook.

但是，没有人会试图通过一项法律来保护个人免受谷歌或Facebook等公司的攻击。

AllCredits

This law is not about ending nefarious use of social media, it is about making it so only American companies can do it.

这项法律的目的不是为了终结人们对社交媒体的违法使用，而是为了给予美国公司这种特权。

Trajen_Geta

You are 100% about that but it also has to do with the rights and personhood of a corporation. Which if this trial goes one way could lead to other lawsuits that they would have to follow precedent.

你说的没错，但这也与公司的权利和人格有关。如果这次审判引发了其他诉讼，他们将不得不遵循先例。

International_Mood_6

See? China is trying to protect our Constitution.

看到了吗？中国试图保护我们美国的宪法呢。

Axproto

This bill doesn't ban TikTok, just who can own the US operated side of TikTok. US has every right to regulate that sort of stuff.

这个法案并没有封禁TikTok，只是封禁拥有TikTok美国运营部分的人。美国完全有权利监管这类事情。

C45

The US only tiktok would not be the same tiktok, it wouldn't even have the same algorithm and basically be unusable.

美国的TikTok已经不是中国的TikTok了，甚至连算法都不一样。

mtsilverred

This is why you actually should only comment on things you’re knowledgeable about. Don’t be like C45 here.