US as many as 15 years behind China on nuclear power, report says

报告称，美国在核电方面落后中国15年

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. is as many as 15 years behind China on develo high-tech nuclear power as Beiing's state-backed technology approach and extensive financing give it the edge, a report said on Monday.

华盛顿(路透社)—周一的一份报告称，美国在发展高科技核电方面已落后中国15年，因为中国资助的技术手段和巨额资金给了中国极大的优势。

China has 27 nuclear reactors under construction with average construction timelines of about seven years, far faster than other countries, said the study by Information Technology & Innovation Foundation, a Washington-based nonpartisan research institute.

总部位于华盛顿的无党派研究机构信息技术与创新基金会的研究显示，中国目前已有27个在建核反应堆，平均建设时间约为7年，远远快于其他国家。

"China’s rapid deployment of ever-more modern nuclear power plants over time produces significant scale economies and learning-by-doing effects, and this suggests that Chinese enterprises will gain an advantage at incremental innovation in this sector going forward," the report said.

报告称：“随着时间的推移，中国快速部署越来越现代化的核电站，产生了巨大的规模经济和从摸索中学习的成效，这说明中国企业未来将在该领域的逐步创新中占据优势。”

The U.S. has the world's largest fleet of nuclear power plants and President Joe Biden's administration considers the virtually emissions-free electricity source to be critical in curbing climate change.

美国拥有全球最大的核电站群，乔·拜登总统的政府认为，接近零排放的电力来源对遏制气候变化至关重要。

以下是雅虎网友的评论：

Jim P

This is how environmentalists caused global warming.  In the 80s and 90s they were protesting nuclear power vociferously and relentlessly. This led to a massive defunding of them.  This has directly caused global warming as almost any climate model will tell you that the only way out for us, as a species, was to massively embrace nuclear power.  No nuclear means more coal.

这正是环保主义者导致全球变暖的原因。80年代和90年代，他们高声抗议核电站。这导致了资金严重短缺。这直接导致了全球变暖，几乎所有气候模型都说明，我们唯一的出路就是大规模使用核能。没有核能就意味着消耗更多的煤炭。

RJ

The average share of electricity generated from coal in the US has dropped from 52.8% in 1997 to 19.7% in 2022.

Coal is being replaced every day by natural gas, wind and solar.

美国煤炭发电的占比已从1997年的52.8%下降到2022年的19.7%。

煤炭正在被天然气、风能和太阳能取代。

Brandon

And should have been replaced by Gen 4 Nuclear in the 80's and 90's....

应该在80年代和90年代就用第4代核能代替的

RJ

LCOE (Levelized cost of energy) per megawatt is the cost to build, fuel and maintain a power source over it's lifetime.

It's the cost utilities use to decide what to build.

每兆瓦能源的平均成本是建造、燃料和维护电源的成本。

公用事业公司正是用这个数据来决定建造的发电站类型的。

RJ

LCOE from the EIA.gov website:

Natural gas peaker plant $117

Offshore wind $105

Coal $82

Nuclear $81

Hydroelectric $64

来自EIA.gov网站的每兆瓦能源的平均成本：

天然气117美元

离岸风能105美元

煤82美元

核81美元

水电64美元

Brandon

Look, I agree the previous technology had drawbacks with waste.  And it is a problem, but its NOT a "problem for the future of Nuclear Energy" because Gen 4 and Gen 5 do NOT produce such waste.

我同意之前的技术在核废料方面存在缺点。这是一个问题，但不是“核能未来的问题”，因为第4代和第5代核电站不会产生这样的核废料。

Roger

Well until we vacate Nevada and make it an official nuclear waste site we really can not afford more nukes.  Remember our waste comes from our navy of nukes in which china has zero so far

在我们撤出内华达并把它变成一个正式的核废料场之前，我们真的负担不起更多的核电站了。请记住，我们的核废料来自我们海军的核武器，而中国到目前为止还没有核武器

Brandon

Gen 4 and 5 produce no "nuclear waste" in the manner you fear.

第4代和第5代核电站不会通过你担心的方式产生“核废料”。

Chris

Lol now thats some under-educated gibberish.

哈哈，这是没受过良好教育的人在胡说八道呢。

Jim P

Weirdly enough, this is like the only topic that I can say, with absolute confidence, that I am extremely well educated in.  I literally have a degree in it.

奇了怪了，这似乎是我唯一可以绝对自信发表意见的事呢，我在这个领域受过良好教育。我真的拥有这方面的学位哦。

MY 2 BIT

I was a STEM graduate, a college instructor in electronics, an electronics design engineer, a and a chief systems engineer. Throughout the millions of dollars generated for companies with various inventions, as an engineer, I got zero back in profit sharing.

我是理工专业毕业生，一名电子专业的大学教师，一名电子设计工程师，一名总系统工程师。作为一名工程师，我为拥有各种发明的公司创造了数百万美元的利润，但我却没有拿到任何利润分成…

User X

Sure. I am a mechanical engineer and have been employed in private industry for 30+ years. Myself, including all my other engineering friends in other industries have all gotten bonuses in at least 80% of the years we've worked. So it stinks to be you.

没错。我是机械工程师，在私营企业工作了30多年。我自己，包括我在其他行业的工程师朋友在我们工作的至少80%的时间里都拿到了奖金。所以你肯定特讨人厌。

Greg

I know what you mean... but... you were never a manager.

You were always an employee who took no risk, and in exchange, always got paid even if the project failed.

我明白你的意思…但是…你从来都不是经理。

你一直都是一个无需承担风险的员工，作为交换，就算研发项目失败，你也能得到报酬。

imurdad

Engineers design and make products that bring in revenue for the company. not the managers.

For s successful launch of a products, the engneers should be awarded with the success.

能够设计并制造出为公司带来收入的产品的人是工程师，不是经理。

对于成功推出的产品，工程师们应该获得奖励。

Greg

They are rewarded, with good paychecks.

But what engineers do NOT do is decide WHAT to design. That is decided by the people who give everyone their paychecks.

It's a very important distinction.

他们获得了丰厚的报酬。

但工程师们不会决定要设计什么。这是由为全体员工发放工资的人决定的。

这是一个非常重要的区别。

neoteny

I got zero back in profit sharing

Should have emigrated to Cuba.

我的利润分成是零

我应该移民到古巴去。

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How many used car salesmen say don't go into sales? You have success and failure in any career. The grass isn't always greener on the n neighbor's lawn.

有多少二手车推销员说千万不要做销售？在所有职业生涯中都会有成功和失败。邻居家的草并不总是会更绿。

cruiser9806

It’s not what you know, it’s what you negotiate. . You may be a STEM graduate but obviously a lousy negotiator. I am STEM also and make 6 figures in retirement plus my 401k.

重要的不是你懂得什么，而是你懂得怎么谈判。你可能是一个理工专业毕业生，但显然是一个糟糕的谈判专家。我自己也是理科生，但退休后的收入还有6位数，外加40.1万退休金呢。

Егор

interesting. that's probably why the USA is waiting for sunset . I understand electronics. I feel sorry for you

有意思。这可能就是美国日薄西山的原因吧。我懂电子学。我为你感到难过。

Kaboom

At least the company gives them free food, free housing at the company apartment, and a small salary.

至少公司会给他们提供免费的食物，公司的免费住房，以及少量的工资。

Gloo

That is what happens when you scare everyone into hating nuclear energy.

Imagine how many trillions of tones of CO2 could have been avoided if we had more nuclear power plants.

这就是你们恐吓所有人，让他们讨厌核电的后果。

想象一下，如果我们拥有更多核电站，可以减少多少万亿吨二氧化碳的排放。

James

Still remember my science teacher in college advocating for that

我还记得我大学时的科学老师就是这么说的

all-American

Imagine the cost of sky high nuke electricity.

想象一下核能发电的成本，实在高得离谱。

Steven

Over time, the cost of nuclear energy is about the same as hydro energy. Coal is 10x that cost. Gas ranges from 3-6x.

随着时间的推移，核电成本会将至和水电差不多。煤炭成本会是核电成本的10倍。天然气成本是核电成本的3-6倍。

Emergent

US is at least 20 years behind China on many things including infrastructure, modern tech and so on. On top of that China is super safe and the US is plagued by gun violence and lax gun laws.

美国在许多方面至少落后中国20年，包括基础设施、现代技术等。最重要的是，中国非常安全，而美国饱受枪支暴力和宽松的枪支法律的困扰。

Ham

Umm. . . What you see on social media isn't the truth.  That's a facade China puts up for westerners. They're infrastructure has been crumbling for years and thousands are dying daily due to it.

嗯……你在社交媒体上看到的并非事实。这是中国为西方人制造的假象。他们的基础设施多年来不断出问题，每天都有数千人因此丧生。

anonymous

china is rapidly becoming the world leader in develo and using green technology.   as they produce very little domestic oil, EVs are the only solution to the rising demand for cars.

中国正在迅速成为开发和使用绿色科技的全球引领者。因为中国生产的石油很少，电动汽车才是应对汽车需求不断增长的唯一解决方案。

Kia

Welcome to united slums of America. Home of the few, the homeless, the zombie land, the skid row, smash-and-grab, weekly crime across the homeless America.

欢迎来到美利坚贫民窟。少数人之家，无家可归者之家，僵尸之地，贫民窟之地，暴力抢劫，犯罪不断发生的美国。

imurdad

China is generating 1,500 GW of green energy which represent about 50% of total energy generated in that country.

中国正在生产1500千兆瓦的绿色能源，约占到中国总能源产量的50%。

President Joe

China has reached its carbon neutral goal a half century ahead of schedule.

中国已经提前半个世纪实现了碳中和目标。