德国禁止华为和中兴参与其5G网络建设，新的“科技冷战”对世界意味着什么

What the new 'tech cold war' means for the world

新的“科技冷战”对世界意味着什么？

Germany has become the latest country to ban Chinese telecoms companies Huawei and ZTE from its 5G network - citing national security concerns. DW Business speaks with telecoms consultant John Strand and Paul Triolo, Partner for China and Technology Policy Lead at DGA Group about whether we are entering a new ‘cold war’ and what this could mean for the world.

德国以国家安全为由，成为最新一个禁止中国电信公司华为和中兴参与其5G网络建设的国家。德国国家电视台采访了电信顾问约翰·斯特兰德和DGA集团中国合伙人兼技术政策主管保罗·特里奥罗，讨论我们是否正在进入一场新的“冷战”，以及这对世界意味着什么。

以下是外国网友的评论：

catinbootsnow4267

Microsoft is now a much bigger risk for the world's security and business continuity.

微软现在对世界安全和商业运作的威胁要大得多。

BrandyHeng007

Countries using Windows OS affected worldwide except China.

除中国外，全球使用Windows操作系统的国家都受到影响。

andrewareva4605

On the day Microsoft and CrowdStrike cripples global flights, hospitals, e commerce, etc, Germany is still worried about China.

微软和CrowdStrike瘫痪全球航班、医院、电子商务等，德国还在担心中国。

heskabeb1

Untill these days they still can’t find any so-called back door evidence in those equipments

直到现在，他们仍然没有在那些设备中找到任何所谓的后门证据

chilam2512

CIA accidentally pressed the stop button today?

中情局今天不小心按下了停止键?

sydca5365

By the way, this John guy is from Denmark? I remember once Macron and Merkel's phones were both tapped by Denmark CIA at behest of US CIA.

顺便问一下，这个叫约翰的是丹麦人吗？我记得有一次应美国中央情报局的要求，马克龙和默克尔的电话都被丹麦中央情报局窃听了。

user-rawe

The answer is yes, telecommunications has, it is and it will be hacked.

Information is valuable

答案是肯定的，电信已经被、现在和将来都会被入侵。

信息是有价值的

kinngrimm

Anyone still remember Snowden and all the neat stuff about the US survialance apperatus he showed us? If i remember correctly at that time the US had backdoors due to hardware sold to us here in most of our systems. US network card suppliers had a huge drop in customers straight afterwards and that too played a role why 5G by the Chinese was welcomed.

If we truelly would want secure infrastructure, we would need in the very least to design the infrastructure ourselves and then have companies like TSMC build us for us, then control the endproduct and then install it. Not just the hardware though, but the software, too.

还有人记得斯诺登和他向我们展示的关于美国监视机构的东西吗？

如果我没记错的话，美国有后门，我们的大多数系统都用他们卖给我们的硬件。

美国网卡供应商的客户数量随后大幅下降，这也是中国5G受到欢迎的原因之一。

如果我们真的想要安全的基础设施，我们至少需要自己设计，然后让台积电这样的公司为我们生产，然后控制最终产品，然后安装。不仅仅是硬件，还有软件。

themiddlekingdom9121

Does Huawei have a kill switch AND backdoor sypware ? I don't think so, but most of the Western hardware and software makers have the kill switches and backdoor spyware, SUCH AS ASML, APPLE, MICROSOFT, TESLA AND THE LIST GO ON.

华为有自毁开关和后门软件吗？我不这么认为，但大多数西方硬件和软件制造商都有开关和后门软件，比如阿斯麦、苹果、微软、特斯拉等等。

kantemirovskaya1lightninga30

As someone who worked in telecom security for over 30 years, mostly in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and North America I eat the world. I can’t believe this interview. There was global concern about Chinese equipment far before the trump administration and before the 4G/LT equipment was outdated in Germany as someone who spoke with all the major European operators at the highest levels, I can tell you it was for a long time still ended up being like something in the past five or 10 years This was concerned before 5G

我在电信安全领域工作了30多年，主要在欧洲、中东、非洲、亚洲和北美工作。我不敢相信这次采访。早在特朗普政府上台之前，在德国4G/LT设备过时之前，全球就对中国设备有担忧。与欧洲所有主要运营商的最高层交谈过，可以告诉你，在很长一段时间内，对中国设备的担忧仍然像过去5年或10年那样，在5G之前就有了。

BrandyHeng007

Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike's technology to be blamed.

网络安全公司CrowdStrike的技术是罪魁祸首。

zekeriya84

A lot of consumer devices modems, routers that Internet Service Providers installs at homes, businesses are Huawei / ZTE. Also, USA already use millions of these Huawei devices. By the way, Huawei , ZTE, Oppo and other Chinese companies had nearly %50 of all 5G patents.

互联网服务提供商安装在家庭和企业中的许多设备调制解调器、路由器都是华为和中兴的。此外，美国已经使用了数百万台华为设备。顺便说一下，华为、中兴、Oppo等中国公司拥有近50%的5G专利。

eudaenomic

And the EU wanted the US to use Huawei also.

欧盟也希望美国使用华为设备。

Kiwiadventurerandoverlander

Huawei already about to start rollout of 6G & 7G under development…. West still scratching their heads

华为正在开发6G和7G，即将推出，而西方还在摸不着头脑

goo8295

US warned the EU years ago.

美国多年前就警告过欧盟。

polysporin8332

Even the Pentagon has an exemption from the bill to remove Huawei. If it is safe enough for the Pentagon then it is safe.

就连五角大楼也获得了移除华为设备的豁免。如果对五角大楼来说足够安全，那么它就是安全的。

happymelon7129

After Boeing , Microsoft turn ? ?

Apple next ?

继波音之后，轮到微软?？

接下去是苹果?

bgg2249

Is Huawei a greater danger than Windows?

华为比Windows更危险吗?

f.e.5691

I'm not expert on this topic, although I work on related technologies. Over the air upgrades are becoming widely spread in the industry with IoT and 4.0 industry, not to mention how easy would be to send a remote command to put a device on sleep, especially considering that the said devices are already 24h/24h online. Also considering the hybrid wars, just as Russians are doing right now (and very likely EU is also doing), I don't think that it is crazy to think that 5G manufacturers can remotely switch off their equipment on purpose

虽然从事相关技术的研究，但我不是这方面的专家。随着物联网和4.0工业的发展，无线升级在工业中越来越普遍，更不用说发送远程命令使设备进入睡眠状态有多么容易，特别是考虑到所述设备24小时在线。

同样考虑到混合战争，就像俄罗斯现在正在打的(很可能欧盟也在做)，认为5G制造商可以远程关闭他们的设备并不疯狂

fangtom9128

So, using US companies’ tech is safer?

所以，使用美国公司的技术更安全?

LuisOwnsPomona

Most of the time the equipment comes with its own built in software I’ve seen, especially if they’re using their radios

据我所见，大多数情况下，这些设备都自带内置软件，尤其是在使用收音机的时候

waynegore5291

Dont use Huawei, use microsoft, it turn off your network today. LOL.

不用华为，用微软，它今天会关闭你的网络，哈哈。

Liboch

According to politicians, China can, and will, turn off the telecommunication system in Europe. According to telecommunication engineers that is technically not possible.

根据政客们的说法，中国可以，也会关闭欧洲的电信系统。但是电信工程师说，这在技术上是不可能的。

markatingi8645

algorithms can be used to manipulate people and feed them with certain kind of content at a certain time.

算法可以用来操纵人们，在特定时间向他们推送特定类型的内容。

ANTheWhizkid

Tiktok is the virtual sibling of Chinese vape sticks.

抖音是中国的虚拟电子烟

dltn42

Yes 100% reliance in American companies like CloudStrike

Europe is Doomed

Europe is an American colony

是的，100%依赖CloudStrike这样的美国公司，欧洲注定要失败

欧洲是美国的殖民地

mingyueliang9577

The gentleman on the right was lying when he said the US didn't press Europbe and the UK to abandon Huawei equipments. Anyone who paid a little bit attention to this issue over the past few years definitely knows.

右边那位先生说美国没有向欧洲和英国施压，要求他们放弃华为设备，他是在撒谎。在过去的几年里，任何稍微关注过这个问题的人都知道。

rs1357

Such a genius "expert", no wonder how EU got in today's situation

如此天才的“专家”，难怪欧盟会沦落到今天的境地