中国新型护卫舰054AG型下水

China Launches New Frigate Variant - Type 054AG

中国新型护卫舰054AG下水

What is new in the PLA Navy's latest Type 054AG frigates? Are they all that different to the baseline Type 054A class?

中国海军最新的054AG型护卫舰有什么新特点？它们与标准版的054A型有什么不同?

以下是外国网友的评论：

johnsmith1953x

China sure has ALOT of different types of frigates

I smell an upcoming comparison video of all those types....

中国确实有很多不同类型的护卫舰

接下来会看到很多各类型护卫舰的对比

phils4634

Obviously significant firepower and radar updates, with (by implication) upgrades to the vessel's ECM and ECCM capabilities? More room for the latest ASW choppers, and I'm still waiting to see on which hull the Chinese will at least be trialling their new 30MW 2800 mile range sea search radar, which must be at an almost trials stage by now.

As for sticking to a "lightly tweaked" proven design, there's also the crew training and experience, parts and repair advantage, which would be very important should the Chinese Navy have to take part in a significant maritime conflict.

显然是有重大的火力和雷达升级，升级舰艇的电子对抗和电子反对抗能力？

更大的空间搭载最新的反潜直升机，我还在等着看中国人至少会在哪个舰体上试验他们新型海上搜索雷达，现在肯定已经处于试验阶段了。

至于微调经过验证的设计，船员训练和经验，零件和维修优势，如果中国海军不得不面对重大的海上冲突，这非常重要。

Navybig-v3k

China's military is impressive, though unproven.

中国军队令人印象深刻，尽管未经实战验证。

shengzhong2662

All weapons are iterating rapidly, although they are similar in appearance, and the subsystems are being updated very quickly. Because technology has developed so fast in the past 20 years

所有的武器都在快速迭代，尽管外形上都差不多，子系统更新的很快。过去20年科技发展太快

grid-panda

Some sources claim that the type 054AG is a "template warship" that verifies its new equipment based on the 054A platform for the mid-term upgrade program for early type 054A frigates after a short time.

一些消息来源声称，054AG型是一艘“模板舰”，在短时间内验证基于054A平台的新设备，用于早期054A型护卫舰的中期升级计划。

leecheong4986

More firepower and more radar reach plus coverage. Great. Perhaps China can upgrade all its 054A, older batch. This is not for blue water but defence until the first island chain. Release the big boys to the second and third island chain and beyond. A hundred of these 054A will be potent. Perhaps later version can be equipped with hypersonic missiles like YJ21. These can be sent to deal with small countries like the Philippines. Perhaps 10 of these 054AG or of the same will do.

火力更强，雷达覆盖范围更广，太棒了。也许中国可以升级所有旧款的054A护卫舰，不是为了部署在远洋，而是为了第一岛链的防御。

把大家伙派往第二和第三岛链以及更远的地方。也许以后的型号可以装备诸如鹰击21这样的高超音速导弹。这些军舰可以用来对付菲律宾这样的小国，也许10艘054AG就够了。

harrylo2316

10 of these for the Philippines? Waste of resources. China Coast Guard is more than enough to deal with their junk ships.

10艘对付菲律宾？浪费资源。用中国海警对付他们的垃圾船，就绰绰有余了。

Amidat

i think the 056 is more for within the first island chain...

我认为056更适合部署至第一岛链…

redblueyankee8343

Honestly, if possible, I really want Vietnam to buy China's Type 054A frigate. Just need 2-4 ships plus the domestic Type 056A self-building line, we can deal with the growing expansion of the Indonesian and Malaysian navies. Much love to my Chinese brothers from Vietnam, I wish more Vietnamese nationalists loved China like me

老实说，如果可能的话，我真的希望越南购买中国的054A型护卫舰。只需要2-4艘舰艇加上国产056A型，我们就可以应对印尼和马来西亚海军的不断扩张。爱中国兄弟，我希望更多的越南民族主义者像我一样爱中国

michaellou7101

Vietnam is a white-eye wolf. At any moment, it will turn around and bite China. It always does.

越南是一只白眼狼，总是反过来咬中国。

lktan224

Yes. Vietnam forgets how the very poor Chinese helped them against the American in the early years of The Vietnam war.

是的。越南忘了在越南战争初期，当时自己也不富裕的中国人是如何帮助他们对抗美军的。

redblueyankee8343

@michaellou7101 Not everyone is like that, you cannot equate 100 million people based on what their leaders did in the past, it was all for the national good. The relationship between Vietnam and China is similar to the relationship between England and Ireland, Germany and Denmark, France and Belgium, Spain and Portugal, Norway and Sweden. They all used to hate each other as much as we do now, but all that hatred disappeared when the common enemy would destroy them all, now they are brothers standing on the same front line I hope Vietnam and so does China will do the same. Vietnam is not a "white-eyed wolf" and China is not an "expansionist", we all did it for the national benefit at some time in the past. I hope you understand

不是每个人都是白眼狼的，你不能因为越南领导人过去所做的事情，就把1亿越南人都视作白眼狼，大家都是为了自己国家的利益。

越南和中国的关系类似于英国和爱尔兰、德国和丹麦、法国和比利时、西班牙和葡萄牙、挪威和瑞典之间的关系。

他们过去都像我们现在一样互相憎恨，但是当共同的敌人来犯时，所有的仇恨都消失了，现在他们是站在同一条战线上的兄弟，我希望越南和中国也能这样做。

越南不是“白眼狼”，中国也不是“扩张主义者”，在过去的某个时候，我们都是为了国家利益而这样做的。我希望你能理解。

redblueyankee8343

@harrylo2316 To be fair, 99% of the world's population were farmers at some point in their development.

公平地说，世界上99%的人口都曾是农民。

leoh6596

Why worry about local regional navies, be extra vigilant on western and allies navies.

为什么要担心当地区域的海军，应该对西方及其盟国的海军格外警惕。

yjnbvjciia

The new secretary of Vietnam has finished his visit to China and should talk well this time, the construction of the China-Vietnam railway will start

越南的新书记已经访问中国，应该谈的不错这次，中越铁路要开工了

douginorlando6260

I wonder if the 100 mm gun can fire proxmity rounds. Drone swarms will be vulnerable to accurate flak.

我想知道100毫米炮是否能发射近距离炮弹。无人机群在精确的高射炮面前不堪一击。

fatdoi003

so why still build type 054ag when the 054B is much better?

054B好得多，为什么还要造054AG ?

mikeca2749

China won’t catch up to US nuclear attack subs anytime soon. Hence to prepare for a possible Taiwan/SCS conflict it needs an underwater version of A2AD. It’ll likely consists of a high density of AIP and small nuclear attack subs, under water drones and sensors; surface ASW ships with Z20, aerial sensors (magneto, terahertz, lidar), air lunched, rocket propelled torpedos on long loitering drones. The 054B is faster, more capable but also more expensive. So 054AG makes more sense when a large number for near seas deployment is called for.

中国不可能在短期内赶上美国的核攻击潜艇。因此，为了准备可能发生的台海/南海冲突，中国需要一种水下版的A2AD。它可能由高密度的AIP和小型核攻击潜艇、水下无人机和传感器组成，水面反潜战舰艇配备Z20，空中传感器(磁电机、太赫兹、激光雷达)，空中发射，火箭推进鱼雷。

054B的速度更快，性能更强，但也更贵。因此，当需要大量部署近海时，054AG更有意义。

shmeckle666

US naval doctrine and geographic distances necessitates a large fleet of SSNs/SSGNs. China, I’m not so sure, at least not at this point in time.

从地理距离上看，美国海军需要大型的攻击型核潜艇/核动力导弹潜艇舰队。中国，我不太确定，至少在这个时候不需要。

gelinrefira

I think it could be sooner than we thought. The PLAN is develo the type 095 which should be close to Virginia/Seawolf performance and once they finalize the design and prove that it works, they will churn it out very quickly. But yea, the PLAN first mission is defending Chinese waters so they will saturate their coastlines with huge number of anti-sub assets of every kind. I doubt the USN can operate their subs with impunity near Chinese waters.

我觉得会比我们想象的要快。中国海军正在开发095型潜艇，应该接近弗吉尼亚/海狼的性能，一旦完成设计并经过验证，很快就能生产出来。但是，中国海军的首要任务是保卫中国水域，所以他们会用各种各样的大量反潜装备部署在他们漫长的海岸线。我怀疑美国海军的潜艇能否在中国水域附近出没而不遭到打击

SifisoMoabj

@gelinrefira that is actually changing completely... If you research about China's national security adviser, or something like that, he said China's priority is shifting towards defending it's interests globally.

Not just within its own borders...

This is because more and more Chinese companies are expanding abroad, so it's necessary for the PLA to build military bases and naval bases across the globe to protect China's interests.

So, in a few years, we should see China establish networks of military bases across the globe...

完全改了，中国的国家安全顾问说中国的首要任务正在转向捍卫全球利益，不仅仅是在自己的境内……

越来越多的中国公司在海外扩张，所以解放军有必要在全球建立军事基地和海军基地，保护中国的利益。

所以，几年后，我们应该看到中国在全球建立军事基地网络…

gelinrefira

@SifisoMoabj they might have some bases but I doubt they will go to the same lengths as the USians. They don't want an empire.

他们可能有一些基地，但我觉得他们不会像美国人那样，他们不想要建立帝国。

user-yw8zm9wn7l

@SifisoMoabj China's development goal is the Nantianmen project, not an arms race with the US, but it is true that the government also has plans to build a global navy by 2040-2050, by which time the US fleet will probably be mostly old, so I think it is a good choice for the US to launch a hot war against China now

中国的发展目标是南天门计划，而不是与美国军备竞赛，不过确实政府也有计划在2040-2050年建设全球海军，到时候美国的舰队可能大部分已经老化了，我认为美国现在对中国发动热战是一个好选择。

user-yw8zm9wn7l

@SifisoMoabj You are right, China does not want to be imperialist, it has warned against China becoming an imperialist country, its goal is to become the most powerful power in the world to ensure that it is not threatened by any imperialist country, and its main goal is to explore outer space beyond the Earth, not to keep human beings trapped on Earth forever, so if it is to be imperialist, China's goal is not to become an empire on Earth, but to become a galactic empire, so the chinese has the South Tianmen project, and is going to build a base on the moon, and then launch a manned rocket from the moon to Mars from around 2040, this is the goal of the chinese, of course, I know it is difficult to achieve, but the chinese must set a big and ambitious goal, China is motivated by the development of science and technology

你说的对，中国不想成为帝国主义，中国的目标是发展成全球最强大力量，确保不会被任何帝国主义国家威胁，并且主要目标还是探索外太空走出地球，而不是让人类永远困在地球，所以如果要说帝国的话，那中国的目标也不是成为地球上的帝国，而是成为银河帝国，所以中国有南天门计划，还准备先在月球建立基地，然后从2040年左右从月球发射载人火箭登陆火星，这就是中国的目标，当然我知道很难实现，但是中国必须设置一个远大宏伟的目标，中国发展科技才有动力

lordhe11iaon95

@gelinrefira mostly due too learning from their 5000 yr old history and how much running an empire is a hassle and liability in itself

主要是因为他们从5000年的历史中吸取了教训，管理一个帝国本身就是一件麻烦事

SifisoMoabj

@gelinrefira it's not "building an empire."

It is simply protecting China's growing interests abroad.

It's a necessity for China to build a network of military bases across the globe.

Especially now, since the west is desperately trying to curb China's development.

中国不是要“建立帝国”，而是要保护中国日益增长的海外利益。

中国有必要在全球建立一个军事基地网络。尤其是现在，西方正拼命遏制中国的发展。

包发财666

Mountains on the seabed of South China Sea is capable enough to deter USN^s SSNs.