Why the Japanese government is buying Chinese Electric Cars

日本政府为何购买中国电动汽车

Japanese automakers their sales in China are shrinking at a rapid Pace China has well and truly raced past Japan when it comes to exporting cars worldwide in fact China's exports have they're flown right by the total number of exports that the Japanese are making and in Japan they believe this is partly because of racism I've seen this numerous times reported in the media they say that the Chinese are now looking down their noses at the Japanese

日本汽车制造商在中国的销量正在迅速萎缩。中国的汽车出口也已经远远超过了日本。事实上，中国的出口量是否与日本的出口总量持平？在日本，他们认为这部分是由于种族主义。我在媒体上多次看到这种报道，他们说中国人现在看不起日本人。

以下是外国网友的评论：

etow8034

Most people don't realize that Japan was a consumer electronics giant with brands like Sony, Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and Sharp etc..., but they never made it in the cellphone or smartphone sector even before the smartphone era. China ate their lunch in the smartphone and now in the flat panel HDTV and EV sector as well !

大多数人没有意识到日本是一个消费电子巨头，有索尼、松下、日立、东芝和夏普等品牌……

即使在智能手机时代之前，他们也从未在手机领域取得成功。

中国吃掉了智能手机的午餐，现在也在控制平板高清电视和电动汽车市场！

jimgraham6722

A neat feature of the Atto3 is to take it cam. Besides lighting, and cooking, you can air condition your tent. Very nice.

Atto3的一个巧妙之处，是可以开去露营。除了照明和烹饪，你还可以给帐篷通空调。很不错的。

keangwooichoo6138

I used to work for orix japan, japanese culture is difficult to turn around and adapt. It is like a huge oil tanker turning around at the sea

我曾经为orix日本工作，日本文化很难适应。它就像一艘巨大的油轮在海上掉头

fahmad7194

China is ahead of the competition

中国在竞争中领先

ongsengfook

Nothing wrong. chinese also used to buy from Japanese carmakers.

没什么不对。中国过去也购买日本车。

scroopynooperz9051

Given Japan's proud automaking history, wouldn't it be a bit of a national embarrassment to have most of their fleet be Chinese cars?

鉴于日本有着引以为傲的汽车制造历史，让他们大部分买中国汽车，他们国家不感到尴尬吗？

harysastra

it is an indirect admission that Chinese cars are as good or perhaps better than Japanese cars themselves

这间接承认了中国汽车与日本汽车质量一样好，甚至更好

Sidekick618

@harysastra yes, they did a couple of tear down of the Chinese made EV, and they were shocked by the design.

是的，他们拆解了几辆中国电动汽车，对中国车的设计感到震惊。

cocorna3282

IN 1974 WE LAUGHED at the crappy little Honda Civic & in 1980 we proudly bought a Honda Civic

1974年，我们嘲笑本田思域很烂，1980年，我们买了一辆本田思域还感到很自豪

bobwallace9753

In 1977 I bought a Datsun pickup which was a great little machine. Drove it 300,000 miles with only minor repairs

1977年，我买了一辆Datsun皮卡，这是一台很棒的小车。只小修过，已经开了30万英里

FAFOrednickinsell

I had a Honda Civic for 18 years from the age of. 16!

Bought it for 18,000 dollars

never changed anything on it

Except the batteries and tires

Last 5 years I stopped any maintenance on it

Car got hit from behind the insurance company gave me 2000 bucks for it

我从16岁起就有一辆本田思域，已经开了18年了。

花18000美元买的

上面什么都没改

就换过电池和轮胎

在过去的5年里，我停止了对它的维护

汽车从后面撞了，保险公司赔了我2000美元

antonilavin2488

I can’t remember anyone laughing at the Honda Civic in the 1970’s. My mother had one. Dad drove a Mercedes 350 SE and he thought the Honda was a great car.

我不记得有人在20世纪70年代嘲笑本田思域。我妈妈有一辆。爸爸开的是一辆梅赛德斯350 SE，他认为本田车很棒

crxdelsolsir

We stopped laughing at Japanes cars when their innovation, value and quality went up (under normal business conditions).

We still laugh at China because their quality is suspicious, their innovation is from stolen means and their competitiveness is not obtained through fair normal business conditions but rather nefarious state backing pretending to be a company.

Japan and China is not the same and not on equal abilities or progress.

It is right to still doubt and look at China in a suspicious and reserved and even justified to be lacking in praises.

当日本汽车开始创新、质量提高时，我们就不再嘲笑它们了。

现在， 我们仍然嘲笑中国车，因为他们车的质量值得怀疑，他们窃取技术，他们的竞争力不是通过公平的正常商业竞争获得的，而是通不正当手段获得的。

日本和中国不一样，能力和进步也不一样。

仍然怀疑中国车是对的，应该有所保留地看待

FrankiePo89

​ @crxdelsolsir
You're right, Japan and China aren't the same.
While Japanese are still comparing itself to western ice, China has managed to look past all of them.
China is competing among itself, just like what you learn in school, to always better yourself.

你说得对，日本和中国不一样。

虽然日本人仍将自己比作西方的冰，但中国已经设法超越了所有人

中国正在竞争，就像你在学校学到的一样，不断提升自己。

lucky889s9

And now civic cost at least $40k. All japanese brands gotten greedy, fat, lazy. Crazy price with all those plastics

现在本田思域价格少为4万美元。日本品牌越来越贪婪了、臃肿、不思进取。那些塑料车的价格太高了

sns1804

So, China EVs are doing business in Japan instead of USA. This is like the USA shifting LNG shipments from China to EU and 3 times the price.

因此，中国电动汽车进入了日本市场，没有进入美国。这就像美国把液化天然气从中国运往欧盟，然后价格卖3倍。

mijmijrm

i think the Japanese corporate strategy is: once you hit peak success, there's no need for further progress

我认为日本企业的战略是：一旦达到顶峰，就不思进取了

scroopynooperz9051

Lol that's not the Japanese mantra at all
That wouldn't explain Toyota being at the top and making quality cars for multiple decades.

The real question is how all the traditional car industry players have been caught with their pants down by the up and coming Chinese Automakers?

Has Chinese innovation really been that rapid?

哈哈，这根本不是日本人的咒语

也并不能解释丰田几十年来一直处于领先地位，一直生产高质量汽车

真正的问题是，传统车企是如何被新兴的中国车企打个措手不及的？

中国的创新真的如此迅速吗？

teoengchin

Japan had a good system. Then they sent all their executives to the USA to get MBAs and diluted their core values

日本有一个很好的制度。他们把所有的高管都派往美国攻读MBA，稀释了他们的核心价值观

calvyncraven1141

No. Japan believe too much in its homegrown biz philosophy: KAIZEN. Improve little by little every day. While China believes in its homegrown policy: Changing lanes & Shifting gears.

不是的。日本过于相信本土的商业哲学：KAIZEN。每天一点一点地进步。而中国相信自己的本土政策：换道超车

dimiberberu

The key is: Japan had good start but was inhibited by US dic ship. China learned the best techniques combined with Socialist Long term Planning & Community values for long term sustainability. Japan has lost its core values due to westernisation.

关键在于：日本开局良好，但受到美国的压制。中国学到了与社会主义长期规划和社区价值观相结合的最佳技术，实现了长期可持续发展。由于西方化，日本失去了核心价值观。

i6power30

I hope Japan chooses the right side. i grew up in Japan as a teenager. Privately they are not really fond of America / Western culture. They think American music is cringe, English language is awkward. We were forced to take English class in public schools, we all hated it. But they feel they have to adapt to the American culture out of fear and pressure. I remember one funny kid in class said, we have no choice but to learn English - if we didn't, you know they have those airplanes fly by and we'd all be screwed. Thene veryone including the teacher laughted. I'm sure you know what he was referring to . But privately they think their own Japanese culture is more civilized and higher level than the American. With the rise of China, this validate their view that our Asian brotherrs are just as good if not better than crude Americans.

我希望日本选择正确的一方。

我是在日本长大，一直到十几岁。私下里，他们并不真正喜欢美国/西方文化。他们认为美国音乐令人尴尬，英语语言令人尴尬。

我们被迫在公立学校上英语课。他们觉得，出于恐惧和压力，他们必须适应美国文化。我记得班上一个淘气的孩子说，我们别无选择，只能学习英语——如果我们不学，他们会让飞机从我们头上飞过，我们都会完蛋的。

然后，包括老师在内的所有人都笑了。我相信你知道他指的是什么。但私下里，他们认为自己的日本文化比美国文化更文明、更高级。

随着中国的崛起，这证实了他们的观点，即我们的亚洲兄弟即使不比粗鲁的美国人好，也至少和他们一样好。

ChickensAndGardening

Yours is one perspective. Another perspective is that Japanese are wildly fond of American culture, and they admire Americans for their directness and open mindedness, even if they make fun of Americans privately.

这是你的个人观点。

另一种观点是，日本人非常喜欢美国文化，他们钦佩美国人的直率和开放心态，虽然他们私下里取笑美国人。

matthewcoreyhall

I lived in Japan for 3 years while working as a designer at Toyota; this was due to them wanting to bring in the silicon valley culture and creativity from the US. I found that there is great respect for the USA in Japan. They respect China's innovation as well, as we worked together to study that market, in fact we took many trips to Shanghai as Toyota has an office in China. It's not a binary choice as you say. There are many sides, not just two. I hope China, Japan and the US will thrive

我在丰田担任过设计师，在日本生活了3年；他们想从美国引进硅谷文化和创造力。我发现日本非常尊重美国。他们也尊重中国的创新，我们共同研究了这个市场，由于丰田在中国设有办事处，我们多次前往上海。这不是你说的二元选择。有很多方面，而不仅仅是两个方面。我希望中国、日本和美国能够蓬勃发展

michaelfung4629

Very brave of you to say. I met Japanese guys from the UK in a bar in Ginza. They said exactly the same thing and more but they said no one can say this in public. The USA has 55000 troops on Japanese soil. Even more than Korea!

你很敢说！我在银座的一家酒吧里遇到了来自英国的日本人。他们也是这么说的，他们说没有人敢在公共场合这么说。美国在日本领土上驻有55000名士兵。甚至超过在韩国的美军！

passby8070

Historically before the 19th Japan has always been adopting Chinese technology and culture. Look no further than the similarities in architecture, language and food. There are also some of the later adoption including Ramen and Karate. Right now it's just reverting to historical norms.

从历史上看，在19世纪之前，日本一直在采用中国的技术和文化。看看建筑、语言和食物多么相似就知道了。还有一些后来被接受的，包括拉面和空手道。现在，它只是回到了历史上的位置。

picandvideo

Japanese auto industry is done. They are completely dependent on North America market. Most countries prefer affordable NEV and maybe hybrids.

日本汽车工业已经走到了尽头。他们目前完全依赖北美市场。大多数国家更喜欢开物美价廉的新能源汽车，也许还有混动车。

mutopz

The Japanese are still great at manufacturing. However, they just don't have the scale of the Chinese industrial capacity. Even the Japanese cars have many parts made in China nowadays.

日本制造业仍然强大。然而，他们的规模只是没有中国工业产能的规模那么大。如今，即使是日本汽车，也有许多零件是中国制造的。

saeidmomtahan4728

The Japanese relied to heavily on the US market and their dislike of Chinese products ( at least on the surface). Now it's too late to try to catch up. Counting on the US in any way seems to come with its perils

日本人严重依赖美国市场，他们不喜欢中国产品（至少在表面上）。现在想赶上已经太晚了。不管怎么样，依赖美国都伴随着风险

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