Goddy•11173• • Deepak K•
The kind of politeness, courtesy and civic sense that exsts among westerners makes Hindus look like animals living in a garbage dump. I am not kidding. Just check out some pics of Varanasi in Smack.
存在于西方人中的那种礼貌、客气和公民意识，让印度教徒们看起来就象一些生活在垃圾堆上的动物。我不是在说笑。去'滋味'上查看一些瓦拉纳西的图片吧。
Gopinath P•2765• • Goddy •Chennai•
You talk whatever nonsense you want... and am sure you have not seen the world. And you better dont comment anything about varanasi. It is our Hindu's holy place and if it is dirty it is our issue. You keep away from this. No one invited your opinion on varanasi or invited you there. And about politeness in westerners... I would like to know where you live ?
你想怎么胡扯就怎么胡扯…而且我肯定你没见过世面。你最好别对瓦拉纳西作任何评论。那是我们印度教圣地，如果那儿脏，那是我们的事。你离这亊远点。没人请求你对瓦拉纳西的意见，也没人请你上这儿来。至于西人的礼貌…我想知道你住哪儿。
Goddy•11173• • Gopinath P•
My comment was about culture. When the word "culture" comes up, my mind automatically imagines a couple of Europeans sitting up and politely having dinner, or a bunch of Japanese practicing Aikido. When I think of Indians, what comes up in my mind are a bunch of randomly dressed men talking in rude language, fighting and spitting paan, women walking down in sarees with 'purdah' or rich Hindus killing their children for 'honor'. Which do you think is the superior culture? What the Hindus call "culture" - like eating with hands, walking barefoot in the house, wearing sarees, arranging fat intra-caste marriages etc are rudimentary things and culture is supposed to be much more deeper. Culture in India's context would be caste thinking, honor killing, vegetarianism (fanatically at that, while hating the meat eaters) etc. Indians are simply less civilized.
我的评论是关于文化。当'文化'这个词冒出来，我自然而然地想象出一对正襟端坐、享用正歺的欧洲伴侶，或是一群演练合气道的日本人。当我想到印度人时，我脑中是一帮言语粗鲁、正在打斗、口吐槟榔、胡乱披挂的男子；以及身穿莎丽、头披面纱漫步，或者是富有的、杀死自己子女以求名誉的女人。你认为哪种文化更为优等？印度教徒口中的'文化' - 比如用手抓饭、在家赤脚行走、穿着莎丽、在同种姓内包办婚姻等等，都是原始的东西。文化应该远为深厚。文化在印度的环境下或许是种姓思维、大誉灭亲、素食主义（对此狂热，仇视食肉者）等等。印度根本就不够文明。
showercap•544•• Goddy •
Now consider the fact that maybe they way you look at culture is just as flawed as the cultures you look at. Do you know that many Japanese stations have vending machines that dispense used ladies underwear?
.There wasa time when they actually sold used panties from Minors in the market, till it was banned in 2004. German tourists in Thailand go there primarily to find underaged girls to have sex with. woman in the middle east get a death sentence for killing a man who was trying to rape her. A couple in the US get a sentence because they were beating and torturing their 3 year old son.
In india a man holding a mans hand is perfectly acceptable, a practice that would not happen in the west unless they were lovers, Some would view this as backward. In the west many people and school still preach creationism, many would consider this backward and frankly retarded. White supremists kill gay people.
This my friend is a human condition,not the perview of any religion. Any religion or culture,is a construct of the human mind and as such is flawed. Eating with ones hand, walking barefeet, wearing sarees is not rudimentry, its just different. A fact your fickle, unlearned mind doesn't seem to grasp.
Do you know those poilte europeans are among some of the loneliest people in the world?
Yes we can be loud, dirty and largely vegetarian, we are also some of the happiest people in the world according to a Forbes survey.
I grant that we have a ways yet to go, But please don't mistaken your nesience for our inferiority.
Besides I would think that your veneration of the culturally superior societies would have made you a bit more tolerant, broad minded, incisive and generally more erudite then us barbarians. It thus astonishes me that you would indulge in the same bigotry that you accuse us off.
Perhaps you need to have more polite dinners or do more Aikido before you achieve this culturally enlighten state. In the mean time I'm going to go wear random clothes, spit pan and hate some meateaters, while arranging a fat (What does that even mean???) inter caste marriage all the while sitting on top of my camel.
现在考虑一下这个事实，也许你看待文化的方式正象被你看到的文化一样，都有缺陷。你是否知道日本许多火车站安有女人二手裤头的售卖机？市场上一度真的卖过二手儿童裤子，直到2004年才被禁了。
德国游客去泰国，主要是为了找未成年女孩性交。中东女子杀死一个企图强奸她的男子会判死刑。美国夫妇因为打了、折磨了3岁儿子会判刑。
在印度一个男子牵另一个男子的手是完全可以接受的，这种行为在西方不会发生，除非他们是同性恋。有些人把这看作是落后。西方一些人和学校还在宣扬神创论，很多人会认为这是落后，坦率地说，是脑呆。白人至上主义者杀害同性恋男子。…
Goddy•11173• • showercap•
You are actually nitpicking wrong facets from those societies to prove that they are just "the same as you". Not true. Cultural superiority is very apparent in their politeness, cleanliness, equality and emphasis on individual rights. Yes, I've seen 14 year old high school kids kissing each other in crowded metros in Japan, but none of the adults were staring at them, cursing them or "discipling them". This is perceived as "bad culture" usually by villagers of India who have different notions about virginity, "love marriages", "caste purity" etc. But this is indeed a superior culture. Because, ultimately more rapes happen in your country where women are strictly morally policed by the general public. I used to ride on Mumbai local in my younger days. Millions travel every day. Very few people hanging by the local train were "cultured" according to me. In India, cultured people are like these parents who wanted to save their "honor" - because wanted to be perceived as very cultural. In Hinduism, you can do all the sins you want, as long as you take a dip in the ganges at least once a year. This is your culture.
你实在是在那些社会中光面挑毛刺，只为证明“他们也和你一样”。不对。在他们的礼貌、清洁、平等与强调个人*利中，文化优越显而易见。是的，我在日本拥挤的地铁中见过14岁上中学的孩子相互亲吻，但没哪个成年人在瞪他们，咒骂他们或是“教训他们”。通常，在对处女、“恋爱结婚”、种姓纯净等等有着不同观念的印度村民看来，这是“坏文化”。但这确是优越文化。因为，最终，在你们这个妇女受到普通大众严厉道德监管的国家里，发生了更多的强奸案。我年轻时常在孟买当地乘车，每天数百万人往来。依我看极少有当地搭车的是“高雅的”。在印度，高雅的人是那些想要挽回“荣誉”的父母- 为的是想让人看作有文化。在印度教，你可以干一切你想干的坏事，只要你每年至少在恒河里泡上一泡。这就是你们的文化。
showercap•544•• Goddy •
You accuse me of nitpicking and yet you do the same, writing off 1.2 billion people based on the perceived actions of the "villagers".
In christianity if you confess you are absolved of all sins. its just as idiotic.
I know my culture, we have along ways to go.I agree with a lot of what you have said. But to deal in absolutes in not scholastic. Especially because you have a dogmatic idea of culture, and use your own lopsided yardstick on everyone. You are guilty of indulging in reductio ad absurdum, so let me do the same, because it seems your pedantic mind is non responsive to anything else. You talk about equality.
There is no equality in this world, dont delude yourself, black people are denied jobs in the west, Racism is on the rise in the UK, Students from the subcontinent are routinely killed in Australia. Mexcans are shunned in the US, Turks and Asians in Europe. Dont delude your self with fallacious world view. Politeness is a thin veil, my friend, dont mistaken it for kindness. Human beings are greedy, scared, jealous, proud; most will walk over others to get to what they want. Also just for your information the highest rate of rape in the world is in Sweden (114 per 10000 people) The rate of rape in India (2 per 10000 people) is 1/30 of the rate in the US, or 1/14 of that in the UK.
You talk about emphasis on individual rights, kids sue their parents, put them in nursing homes. There is little sense of community, no body smiles at a passing stranger. People dont want to talk to you because you are brown, I have personally encountered this. The world doesn't smell like roses and look like a million bucks
I thought I would have a conversation with you, but it seems I am talking to the very essence of intolerance. You my friend are a bigot and hypocrite. You embody what is wrong with this world, you stereotype, you generalize and then you inject a fallacious feel a sense of sanctimony into your otherwise meaningless life by spewing spurious nonsense. I regret spending so much time writing this comment, as talking to the red stapler on my table would be better, because atleast its inanimate silence is more meaningful then your blather. Draw comfort in the fact that you will have the last word in this discussion my witless friend, as I will go back to living my dirty paan stained life drawing comfort from the fact that we are no in the same geographical location, and indulge your screed no more.
你指责我挑毛刺而你也一样，以感觉中“村民”的行为作理由，把12亿人一笔抹杀。
在基督教，如果你忏悔了，你所有罪恶就被赦免了，这简直就是愚蠢。
我了解我们的文化，我们还有长长的路要走。你说的我很多都同意，但绝不能以教条方式对待。尤其因为你有着武断的文化意识，对谁都用你那有倾向的标准来衡量。你的罪过是沉迷于归缪法，所以现我也来这么做，因为你那迂腐脑袋看来对任何其它事物都没反应。你谈到了平等。
这个世上没有平等，不要骗自己了，在西方，黑人被拒于工作之外、英国的种族主义在升温、次大陆来的学生在澳大利亚遭杀害，是例行常亊。在美国，人们避开墨西哥人，在欧洲，没人理睬土耳其人和亚洲人。不要用错误的世界观来欺骗自己。礼貌是层薄纱，朋友，别把它误当善良。人类贪婪、恐惧、嫉妒、自傲，大部分人都会踩着别人去得到想要的东西。另外，仅供你参考，世界上最高的强奸率在瑞典，（114/每万人）、印度强奸率是2/每万人，是美国的1/30、英国的1/14。
你谈到了强调个人*利，子女控告父母，把他们塞进养老院。很少团体意识，没人朝过路人笑笑。因你皮肤棕色，没人愿跟你说话，我自己就遇到过这种情况。这个世界闻起来不象玫瑰，看上去不象百万美金。…
Goddy•11173• • showercap•
Both villagers and city dwellers are uncultured in India. Most of the villagers practice feudalism and caste system, and have no notion of any post-renaissance ideas like gender-equality, individual rights, etc and on top of that they are anti-romantic (I think presence of Romance is essential for any type of culture). Coming to the Metro, as I encountered every single day while traveling in the metro along with a few thousand others - most were like the definition of "uncultured": rude, uncouth, unrefined, unclean and argumentative. You have to admit, the only Indians are devoid of any "culture".
在印度，村民和城市居民都没有教养。大多数村民行的还是封建制度和种姓制度那一套，也没有任何后复兴时代的意识，比如两性平等、个人*利等等，再加上他们反对浪漫（我认为任何一种文化，浪漫的存在是必要的）。说到地铁，我每一天在地铁运行中遇到成千上万人，大部分就象“没教养”的定义一样：粗鲁、说脏话、没修养还有好争吵。你得承认，唯有印度人什么文化都没有。
Shoba Nair•1049• • Goddy •Perth, Western Australia•
Totally agree with you!
完全赞成！
Ganga Vara Prasad•586• •Phagwara•
Such things should not be encouraged.
这种事情不应鼓励。
Tarun Maganti•686• • Ganga Vara Prasad•Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh•
Well, to not encourage those things one should act at the root of the problem-"The Caste System"
嗯，不鼓励这种事情，你就该对问题的根子- “种姓制度” 采取行动。
i am communal•7661• • Tarun Maganti•Hinduland•
caste system or not indian inferior mentality will behave the same. honour killings is also a common problem in pakistan as well where there is no such system. just two months back a girl was killed in gruesome manner by her parents and relative in pakistan and then the mullhas were barking from mosques that honour killing is not allowed in islam. inferior mentality is same everywhere no matter the religion or cult they follow.
有没有种姓制度，印度人次等心态行为会一样。大誉灭亲在巴基斯坦也是个常见问题，而那里没有这种制度。仅两个月前，在巴基斯坦，一个女孩被她父母和亲戚杀害，手法令人恐怖，然后毛拉们在清真寺吠叫：isl教不准大誉灭亲。无论信什么教什么派，次等心态到处都一样。
Tarun Maganti•686• • i am communal•Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh•
You made a good point there. People with inferior mentality find a reason to do something. Caste System is one of them. You can't just go to a person and say that you are wrong. Beating around the bush is a better option here rather than direct approach. Change isn't really easy to accept but realizing that what we did is wrong is much more difficult. Hence, curbing caste system can indirectly convinces them to accept the change conveniently.
And pointing at a community doesn't help. Indian or Pakistani or any other country, some kind of racism/casteism or at least sexsm definitely exsts.
I just pointed out a major thing which is dividing the society.
你说出了个道道。有次等心态的人为干某事找理由。种姓制度就是其一。你不能直直地去对某人讲，你错啦。在这儿转弯抹角是比直截了当更好的选项。改变不是真的容易接受的，但认识到我们什么亊情做错了还要难很多。因此，间接地限制种姓制度能够容易说服他们接受改变。对某个团体指责没有帮助。印度、巴基斯坦或任何其它国家，某种种族主义/种姓主义或至少性别歧视绝对存在。我只是指出了一个分裂这个社会的主要问题。
An atheist•2216• • Tarun Maganti•Bangalore•
You cant remove the caste system. Even if you remove, it will be replaced by something else - may be religion or color etc. But, shocking thing here is not the caste, its people killing their own children. How can someone do it?
你没法去除种姓制度。即使你除去了，还会有其它东西取代它- 也许是宗教或肤色等等。但是，让人震惊的不是种姓，是人们杀害自己的子女。怎么有些人能做这种事？
Moash•18538• •Hyd•
Barbaric!! Severe punishment should be given to culprits if found guilty...I have a question to our beloved organisations like A.B.V.P., V.H.P, Bajrang dal. R.S.S etc.; why there is not a single word from them to condemn such a barbaric act. no protest , no rallies, nothing why?
野蛮!！如果发现有罪，应该予以重刑…我有个问题给我们敬爱的组织，比如全印学生会、V.H.P（右翼印度教民族主义非政府组织）、Bajrang dal（军人印度教组织）、R.S.S （右翼慈善、教育、志愿者印度教民族主义非政府组织），为什么他们对这种野蛮行径不置一词责言、不抗议、不集会，什么也不做，为什么？
Gopinath P•2765• • Moash •Chennai•
Moash... You are like one of those guys who blame Mr.Modi even if your kid sneezes. Grow up brother.
Moash…有人连自己孩子打喷嚏都要怪穆迪先生，你就象那些人中的一员。长大吧，兄弟。
Moash•18538• • Gopinath P•Hyd•
Mr. Gopinath, why don't these fellows who will accuse others of all ills come out and protest against such a barbaric act?
Gopinath 先生，为什么这些会指责别人什么坏事都干的傢伙不站出来抗议这种野蛮行为？
B6S3 •6144• • Moash •India•
Again bringing an act to these lines? When will you all change from the rabid mentality? Of course being brain wasahed by Owaisi, you aren't too likely to change.
又到这儿来搞了？你什么时候会改一下你那疯狗心态？当然，被Owaisi（msl 政客，对印度教多有微词）洗了脑子，你不大可能改了。
Moash•18538• • sbasu sbasu•Hyd•
First of all try to change the mentality of your folks, then preach others. Did you ever had a look at the comment section of this news portal? or you are also one of them?
先想办法改一改你们那些人的心态再来向别人说教。你看过这个新闻网站上的评论吗？或者那里面就有你？
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