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Does India actually need a bullet train as 99.99% people can't afford it? Why shouldn't we focus on preventing stampedes like Mumbai?

印度真的需要高铁吗? 99.99%的印度人都坐不起吧?为什么我们不能集中精力预防像在孟买发生的踩踏事件呢?

Vardh Man, works at Self-Employment

We already have some very good answers on this question.

关于这个问题，我们已经有了一些很好的答案。

Most answers are pro growth and I am also not against the growth as technology and development of India.

大多数答案都是支持发展的，我也不反对印度的技术和发展。

But before that we need to consider few more things about this subject.

但在此之前，我们需要考虑更多关于这个主题的事情。

Government should focus on its activities towards mass general public and most of them poor in India instead of spending its energy towards facility of some selected rich people of India.

政府应该把精力集中在为百姓谋福利的项目上，而不是把精力花在为某些印度富人建造设施上。

If any facility is created for rich people to earn money, let it be handled by private development only.

如果有什么设施是为富人创造的，那就让私人企业来开发。

As airlines are run better by private airlines than Air India, it is quite possible that High Speed rails (HSR) known as bullet trains also can be build and run by private business in coloration of multinational companies.

由于私人航空公司运营的航空公司比印度航空公司运营的更好，因此被称为高铁的高速铁路也很有可能由跨国公司的私人企业建造和运营。

This can save time, energy, and money of Government and that can be put to use to areas where we do not have even low speed train system even after 70 years of independence in India.

这可以节省政府的时间、能源和资金，也可以用于那些我们甚至在印度独立70年后还未连通低速列车的地区。

Now come to stampede in Mumbai, The infrastructure in Mumbai is much lesser than the pressure on it. Just by putting some cctv cameras will not going to work for avoiding such situations in Mumbai in future. Mumbai pays largest tax to government (compare to any Indian city) but do not get back its share and the money even if comes for development it goes in corruptions.

现在来看看孟买发生的踩踏事件，孟买的基础设施比它所承受的压力要贫瘠得多。仅仅安装一些闭路电视摄像头是无法避免今后孟买不再发生这种情况的。与印度任何一个城市相比，孟买向政府缴纳的税都是最高的，但就算是为了发展，也无法享受赢得的福利和资金，全都被腐败吃光了。

Local people committees, be created in each area of Mumbai, with power to suggest and get implementation to it by funding them appropriately can reduce its burden systematically.

可以在孟买的每个地区都成立地方人民委员会，通过适当资助地方人民委员会来提出建议并付诸实施，可以系统地减轻其负担。

来源：三泰虎           译者：Joyceliu

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Shrinivas Muley, Read a lot about political science and party politics in IND

We can not think of these two questions together.

我们不能把这两个问题混为一谈。

If the question is: “Do we need a bullet train?”

如果问题是:“我们需要高铁吗?”

Then answer is: Yes, we need it and we need it very badly.

然后回答是:是的，我们需要它，我们非常需要它。

Saying NO to bullet train just because we still struggling to modify underdeveloped current train system is same as saying no to establish IITs just because we have underdeveloped primary education infrastructure.

对高铁说不，仅仅是因为我们仍在费力修改欠发达的现有火车系统，就如同拒绝缴纳个人所得税一样，仅仅是因为我们的基础教育基础设施不发达。

Reasons:

原因:

Necessity:

必要性:

We need it, in order to compete with fast growing economies like we need to have fast and powerful transportation systems like them. Transportation must be safe, cheap and most importantly faster to support a growing economy. Bullet train satisfies all the three constraints.

我们需要它，为了与像这样快速增长的经济体竞争，我们需要像他们那样快速强大的交通系统。交通运输必须安全、便宜，最重要的是更快，以支持经济增长。高铁满足所有这三个约束条件。

Affordability:

负担能力:

People say we can't afford it, 99% population can't afford it.

人们说我们坐不起，99%的人坐不起。

Do you think if we can't afford a commodity or service we should not bring it in the country? When Rajiv Gandhi brought colour Televisions in India only few thousand people could afford at that time. Now hundreds of millions have TV as an integral part of their lives. Yes it includes the farmers and peasants too. People don't have toilets but have TV sets.

你是不是认为如果我们负担不起一种商品或服务，我们就不应该把它引入国内吗?当拉吉夫·甘地在印度推出彩电时，当时只有几千人买得起。现在，数以亿计的人把电视作为他们生活中不可或缺的一部分。是的，它也包括农民和农民。人们可以没有厕所，但却有电视机。

If we start saying we can't afford, hence we should stop thinking of new technologies then I will say this a product of regressive or old co unists' mindset.

如果我们开始说我们负担不起，就应该停止考虑引进新技术，那么我就会说这是历史倒退的产物，或者是旧*主义者的心态。

Security:

安全:

Bullet trains are safer than the traditional trains.

高铁比传统列车更安全。

Speed:

速度:

It will save the traveling time of the employees. It will improve the efficiency and effectiveness of transportation. Bigger cities will be at distance of few hours and boost the relationship between them.

这样可以节省员工的出差时间。这将提高运输的效率和效益。大城市之间的距离只有几个小时，这将促进它们之间的关系。

Very big investment in economy by japan:

日本对经济的巨大投资:

Japan needs a good market as they are already a saturated economy with very low growth rate. They need an investment market with higher returns. India is best marketplace for them as we are a fastest growing and a liberated economy. They are giving us ₹88thousand crore loan on nominal intrest rate of .1%. We must think of utilizing this opportunity and money by Japan.

日本需要一个良好的市场，因为日本经济已经饱和，增长率非常低。他们需要一个回报率更高的投资市场。印度是他们最好的市场，因为我们是增长最快、经济自由化的国家。他们给我们8800亿卢比的贷款。我们必须考虑利用日本的这个机会和资金。

Ocean of opportunities for employment:

就业机会海洋:

Japan will invest in India will create number of jobs. We should look forward to bring up new technologies and I think we are on right track if we are going for bullet train at this point of time. With bullet train we will get an opportunity to learn the technology which is completely new for us.

日本在印度投资，将创造大量就业机会。我们应该期待引进新技术，我认为如果我们在这个时候选择高铁，我们就是走在正确的轨道上。有了高铁，我们将有机会学习对我们来说全新的技术。

Beneficial for development:

有利于发展:

Opposition says 99.99% people won't use it but if that 0.01% (comprises of 1.25 crore) use bullet train that will be the record in the world. Bullet train is not for 125cr people of India but all of them will be getting it's fruits as it's technology will help in improving the current railway system.

反对派表示，99.99%的人不会使用高铁，但如果那0.01%(由1.25亿人组成)的人使用高铁，那将是世界最高纪录。高铁不是为125cr的印度人准备的，但是他们所有人都会得到它的果实，因为它的技术将有助于改善目前的铁路系统。

India is a very different country you need a very broad, well nourished, well educated and intelligent perspective.

印度是一个非常不同的国家，你需要一个非常广泛的、受过良好教育和聪明的视角。

About the Mumbai incident:

关于孟买事件:

This stampede incident happened due to underdeveloped infrastructure that is the narrow over bridge. This bridge should have been widened. The responsible officials who failed their duties must be punished but saying no to bullet train only because of such accidents is laughable. No doubt the current systems must be our priority but it is also true that we shouldn't stuck to them only.

这次踩踏事件是由于基础设施不发达，即桥面狭窄造成的。这座桥应该加宽。那些不负责任的官员必须受到惩罚，但仅仅因为这些事故而拒绝高铁是可笑的。毫无疑问，目前的制度必须是我们的优先事项，但我们也不应该只坚持这些制度。

We need to improve our current systems but at the same time we must welcome the new technologies to compete with big economies like .

我们需要改进现有系统，但同时我们必须欢迎新技术与等大型经济体竞争。

Sachin Nair, Market Researcher

I was told that home loan is the cheapest form of loan I can borrow. Today’s rate is about 8.75%. While Term Loans for business is at least 12%. Personal loan is at 14–18%.

有人告诉我，住房贷款是我能借到的最便宜的贷款形式。今天的利率大约是8.75%。而企业的定期贷款至少为12%。个人贷款为14-18%。

Piyush Jain住在印度马哈拉施特拉邦的孟买

By this logic we even don’t need out space program since it is also not adding anything to Infrastructure.

按照这种逻辑，我们也不需要太空项目，因为它也不会给基础设施增加任何东西。

Basically we need both basis infrastructure & top end show case model like Bulllet train to attract investment.

从根本上说，我们既需要基础设施，也需要像高铁这样的顶尖形象展示来吸引投资。

Imagine case where both India & is competing for foreign investment on world platform. What will be our showcase model vis a vis ?

想象一下，印度和都在世界平台上争夺外国投资。我们跟相比，我们展现了什么形象?

In order to remain competitive in the world & make a mark all this highly technological projects like bullet train , Mars orbital mission are required.

为了保持在世界上的竞争力并在所有这些高科技项目上留下印记，高铁，火星轨道任务等都是必需的。

In corporate parlance it is like focusing on both top line & bottom line to remain in sustainable growth trajectory.

用企业的话说，这就像是同时关注收入和利润，以保持可持续的增

长轨迹。

Anonymous

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How exactly is making bullet trains related to stampedes?

制造高铁和踩踏事故有什么关系?

And from where did you get the percentage of people who can afford bullet trains?

你从哪里知道有多少人能负担得起高铁?

Overpopulation and population explosion is responsible for stampedes.

人口过剩和人口爆炸是造成踩踏事故的原因。

Perhapes you need to rephrase the question.

也许你需要重新表述这个问题。

Siddharth Yadav, lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

As a growing economy of the world, a country must have at least one bullet train route. As we buy a set of clothes to look good in the same way a country should have every possible latest infrastructure or facility or invention to compete with other nation.

随着世界经济的增长，一个国家必须至少有一条高铁线路。正如我们都需要买一套衣服装装门面一样，一个国家应该拥有所有可能的最新基础设施、设施或发明来与其他国家竞争。

Indian government is not spending from our tax money. The government is being helped by Japani government. We are getting loan money at the rate of .1% and we have to repay it in the span of 50% years. This bullet train project will help us with lot of employment opportunity.

印度政府没有从我们的税收中支出。政府得到了日本政府的帮助。我们得到的贷款利率是0.1%我们可以在50年的时间内偿还。这个高铁项目将为我们提供很多就业机会。

Gyan Do Amit, lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

If we ever cared about improving present situation instead of bringing new technologies, you would have been still travelling in some improved version of a Bullock cart.

如果我们关心的是改善现状而不是引进新技术，你就会一直开着改进版的牛车旅行。

What happened in Mumbai yesterday was a very tragic incident but the main reason for the stampede was being uncivilized. The unnecessary chaos, pushing, shouting, yelling, indiciplined crowd are also causes of the tragic accident.

昨天发生在孟买的事件是一个非常悲惨的事件，但是踩踏事件的主要原因是不文明。不必要的混乱，推搡，叫喊，不受控制的人群也是悲剧发生的原因。

As far as Bullet train is concerned, it's not at all a hindrance in improving pathetic condition of stations. The authorities were already cautioned about possible hazard but it was ignored everytime.

就高铁而言，它根本不是改善车站可怜状况的障碍。当局已经对可能发生的危险发出警告，但每次都被忽视。

You say that 99.99% people cannot afford the bullet train fare. I would like you to prove it. How do you even know without the official announcement of the fares?

你说99.99%的人都坐不起高铁。我希望你们能证明这一点。如果官方还没有公布票价，你怎么知道大家坐不起呢?

MV Saxena, Chief General Manager at Megha Engineering and Infrastructures Limited (2008-present)

This is the mind set which does not allow Indians to enjoy the fruit of new technology. Why do Government of Congress started space program? Will there will be any return on the investment. Why do Government sponsor visits to Antarctic, will there be any return on the money spent? Why do we require fast aero planes and better airports, when they are being used by a very minuscule population? Cannot we utilize the money which is used in creating world class airports for improving railways or bus service? Why did Nehru started Asian Games in 1951 in Delhi when resources were scarce? What is the use of discussion on Quora when we can use the same time for productive work? Why do we compare ourselves sin day in and day out and feel depressed? is far ahead from us since such questions are not being asked by people.

这种思维模式不允许印度人享受新技术的成果。为什么国大党政府要启动太空计划?投资会有回报吗?为什么政府赞助访问南极，花费掉的钱会有回报吗?为什么我们需要快速的航空飞机和更好的机场呢?难道我们不能利用建设世界级机场的资金来改善铁路或公交服务吗?为什么尼赫鲁1951年在资源匮乏的德里开始举办亚运会?当我们可以用同样的时间来做有成效的工作时，在Quora上动动嘴皮子讨论有什么用?为什么我们天天都在比，自己却感到沮丧?远远领先于我们，因为民不会问这样的问题。

As regards the reply to question, Japan is giving long term loan to India for building bullet train on 1% interest for 50 years. This money cannot be used for other requirement. Fast transportation is the requirement of time and we must take all steps to cut the time in travelling.

至于对问题的回答，日本向印度提供了建造高铁的长期贷款，利率1%，贷款期限50年。这笔钱不能用于其他用途。快速的交通是时间的要求，我们必须采取一切措施来缩短旅行的时间。

From Monday, a new Rajdhani train is being introduced between New Delhi and Mumbai which will cut travelling time between New Delhi and Mumbai by two hours? Do we really want to save two hours and for what?

从周一开始，新德里和孟买之间将开通一列新的高铁，将把新德里和孟买之间的旅行时间缩短两个小时。我们真的想节省两个小时的时间吗?

Raghav S

Everything is important. Else it will take decades even centuries for India to set the basics right and the world would have moved far far ahead. It is like saying there should be no IITs because Indians are illiterate, or there should be no 5 star hotels as people are poor. Same logic when air travel was promoted.

一切都是很重要的。否则，印度将需要几十年甚至几个世纪的时间来纠正基本问题，世界将会遥遥领先。这就好比说，印度人不识字，就不应该有印度理工学院，或者因为人民贫穷，就不应该有五星级酒店。同样的逻辑也适用于坐飞机出游方式的推广。

let us stop celebrating poverty. Stampedes are caused by greedy selfish humans who want to be the first in everything.This is a country where people will not give way, drive on the pedestrian paths, etc. It is a miracle that India does not witness more stampedes.

让我们停止庆祝贫困。踩踏事件是由贪得无厌、自私自利的人类造成的，他们想要成为一切事物的第一。这是一个人们不会让道、在人行道上开车等的国家。印度还未见证过更多的人群狂奔事件，是个奇迹。

you mean only 1.3 lakh people can afford bullet train? That's an exaggeration in a country where air travel is booming. The economic viability has been studied

你是说只有13万人能负担得起高铁?在一个航空旅行蓬勃发展的国家，这种说法有些夸张。对高铁的经济可行性已经进行了研究。

Ankur Baheti, works at BBA Student (2016-present)

I don't think that India needs bullet trains. It has been evident that the population of the country is very much eager to see the bullet trains running to in our country but there are various other factors also that need to be considered. Several other countries like Argentina and Germany have also tried to establish a bullet train network but later on analysing the conditions, they dropped off the idea.

我不认为印度需要高铁。很明显，这个国家的人民非常渴望看到高速列车在我国运行，但也有各种其他因素需要考虑。阿根廷和德国等其他几个国家也曾试图建立高铁网络，但后来分析了条件后，他们放弃了这个想法。

The fare of the bullet train isn't out yet but there have been many theories about the fare of a one way journey. In countries like Japan where the bullet train network is successful, the major reason is that the per capita income of the people there is much more than the per capita income of India.

高铁的票价还没有公布，但是关于单程票价有很多理论。在日本等高铁网络发达的国家，主要原因是那里的人均收入远远超过印度。

It is also being said that why the huge funding of rupees 1.2 Lakh crore is being allocated to a track of bullet train when only 1 Lakh crore is required to maintain and improve the exsting railway network of our entire country.

也有人说，为什么要把12亿卢比的巨额资金划拨到高铁轨道上，而我们整个国家现有的铁路网所需要的资金只有10亿卢比。

Shubham Gupta, lived in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

In any society introduction of new structures & revam of exsting structures go parallely & simultaneously. Government has funds and they use it for different purposes but if all money is used for one purpose it will be a financial & a commercial failure too and it will be like “overcrowding in a limited space” —this particular phenomenon is the reason to avoid failures.

在任何社会中，新结构的引进和现有结构的改造是并行的。政府拥有基金，他们把钱用于不同的目的，但如果所有的钱都用于一个目的，这将是一个金融和商业失败，它会好比“拥挤在有限空间”——这种特殊现象是避免失败的原因。

(Above answer answered in this context —- comparison is made that the govt should not have spend on bullet train but on revam exsting railway condition)

(以上回答是在此背景下作出的——比较而言，政府不应该把钱花在高铁上，而应该花在改善现有铁路条件上)

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