Intel's fired CEO Pat Gelsinger: Thank you DeepSeek team for ...
英特尔已卸任的首席执行官帕特·基辛格:感谢DeepSeek团队……
DeepSeek’s new open-source AI reasoning model, R1, has rapidly gained traction in the tech industry, even briefly surpassing OpenAI’s ChatGPT in App Store rankings. Now, former Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger has weighed in, applauding its impact. In a post on X (formerly Twitter), Gelsinger pointed to key lessons from computing history that R1 exemplifies: lower costs drive adoption, innovation flourishes under constraints, and “Open Wins.”
DeepSeek新推出的开源人工智能推理模型R1在科技行业迅速获得关注,甚至在应用商店排名中短暂超过了OpenAI的ChatGPT。如今,英特尔前首席执行官帕特·基辛格发表了看法,对其影响力表示赞赏。基辛格在X平台(前身为推特)上发文指出,R1体现了计算机发展历史中的关键经验:降低成本推动应用、在约束条件下创新蓬勃发展以及“开放致胜”。
He wrote:
“Wisdom is learning the lessons we thought we already knew. DeepSeek reminds us of three important learnings from computing history:
1) Computing obeys the gas law. Making it dramatically cheaper will expand the market for it. The markets are getting it wrong, this will make AI much more broadly deployed.
2) Engineering is about constraints. The Chinese engineers had limited resources, and they had to find creative solutions.
3) Open Wins. DeepSeek will help reset the increasingly closed world of foundational AI model work. Thank you DeepSeek team.”
When a user asked if he was still Intel CEO, would he be “excited about DeepSeek”, Gelsinger replied in affirmation.
他写道:
“智慧在于学习那些我们以为自己已经知道的经验。DeepSeek让我们想起计算机发展历史中的三条重要经验:
1) 计算遵循气体定律。大幅降低成本将扩大其市场。市场的看法是错误的,这(指降低成本)将使人工智能得到更广泛的应用。
2) 工程设计关乎约束条件。中国工程师资源有限,他们不得不寻找创造性的解决方案。
3) 开放致胜。DeepSeek将有助于改变基础人工智能模型工作日益封闭的现状。感谢DeepSeek团队。”
Gelsinger was ‘fired’ as Intel CEO in December last year amid a prolonged period of corporate challenges that have dramatically eroded the company’s market position and investor confidence. He is currently the chairman of Gloo, a messaging and engagement platform designed specifically for churches, aiming to enhance communication and community-building within faith-based organizations.
He told TechCrunch “My Gloo engineers are running R1 today. They could’ve run o1 — well, they can only access o1, through the APIs.”
当有用户问他如果还担任英特尔首席执行官,是否会对DeepSeek感到“兴奋”时,基辛格给出了肯定的回答。
基辛格去年12月因英特尔长期面临企业挑战、公司市场地位和投资者信心受到严重削弱而被“解雇”,不再担任英特尔首席执行官。他目前是Gloo公司的董事长,Gloo是一个专为教会设计的消息传递和互动平台,旨在加强宗教组织内部的沟通和社群建设。
他对TechCrunch表示:“我在Gloo的工程师们如今正在运行R1。他们本来也可以运行o1——嗯,实际上他们只能通过应用程序编程接口来访问o1。”
中国DeepSeek的突然崛起,对全球半导体和AI产业产生了巨大冲击,直接导致英伟达股价暴跌。部分行业专家却认为这并非末日,而是一个新的机遇。英特尔前CEO Pat Gelsinger对此持有乐观态度,他认为市场的反应过度了。在他看来,DeepSeek模型可能预示着AI产业的一个转折点,它能够以更低的价格提供更广泛的算力资源,这将推动市场的爆炸性增长,而非萎缩。
以下是印度网友的评论:
Palli Singh
Until we keep bringing up kids with one set of mind, nothing going to change. We needs to accept that creativity is not in our blood, cultural, neither we like creativity. Being creative means you are going against society, culture, blah blah blah. We can never think out of box bcoz we are not taught that way. We are taught with one direction only, A=Apple,it can't be Apricot. So we need to stop comparing or competing with China, bcos we are dumb as.
如果我们一直用单一思维模式养育孩子,就不会有任何改变。我们得承认,创造力并非我们与生俱来或文化中所包含的,而且我们也不崇尚创造力。有创造力意味着与社会、文化之类的。我们永远无法跳出常规思维,因为我们接受的教育并非如此。我们只被教导一个方向,A就是苹果,不能是杏子。所以我们别再和中国比较或竞争了,因为我们就是蠢货。
User
If the Govt & Corporates, toe the US line on Tech & Innovation...US Supremacy will remain, China will stay as Challenger to USA
如果政府和企业在技术与创新上紧跟美国路线,美国的霸权地位将持续,中国仍会是美国的挑战者。
Monica
This is reminiscent of the past: Singapore's approach for education is such that everyone can learn their subject, and gain subject matter expertise by the time they complete their class by the end of the school year. UK's Cambridge system is such that only those who pay high prices, and those who memorize the answers would be deemed to have completed their class, but only teachers would understand it well!
这让人想起过去:新加坡的教育方式是,每个人都能学习课程,并在学年结束完成学业时掌握学科专业知识。英国的剑桥体系则是,只有那些支付高昂费用以及死记答案的人,才会被认为完成了学业,但只有老师们才真正明白(这种教育方式的问题)!
Kumar V
Teachers understand it well - haha - how do you think the teachers have learned - they memorized.
老师们心里清楚——哈哈——你们觉得老师们是怎么学的呢——他们也是死记硬背。
Tarun
Consumers are like water, will flow to the deepest(lowest cost) point.
消费者就像水,会流向最深(成本最低)的地方。
singh
It is sad that we Indians take pride in Indian Jugaad but none of our high caliber engineers who are hel the US to create and grow their tech industry could even think of low cost, more efficient ecosystem in creating AI models whether in the US or in India. We have to come out of the past glory of UPI now and invest in creative minds rather than boasting cheap labour supremacy which boost the copied business model from the US.,I think our engineers are wasting their talent in learning management rather than focusing on core engineering.
很可悲,我们印度人以印度式的临时变通办法为荣,但那些帮助美国创建和发展科技产业的高素质工程师,无论是在美国还是在印度,竟没有一个能想到创建低成本、更高效的人工智能模型生态系统。我们现在必须摆脱统一支付接口(UPI)过去的辉煌,投资于有创造力的人才,而不是吹嘘廉价劳动力优势,这种优势不过是在推动从美国抄袭来的商业模式。我认为我们的工程师把才华浪费在学习管理上,而不是专注于核心工程。
Guest Login
Our Indian IQ levels are average as per scientific studies. That is speaking about us broadly, generally. We may make up for it with effort and hard work to some extent.
根据科学研究,我们印度人的智商水平处于中等。这是从广义、普遍的角度来说。在某种程度上,我们或许可以通过努力和勤奋来弥补。
User
Spot On! Riding safely on US Tech is the easy way for CORPORATE India
一针见血!对印度企业来说,安稳地依赖美国技术是一条捷径。
Palli Singh
No one stop you, why don't you start now on new game changing software! Let me tell you, creativity is cultural as well, we bring up our kids with one set of mind, don't encourage them to be different, neither culturally, neither academically, still in school A is Apple, hasn't change since independence. When our children trying to be different they get smack, nothing else, we keep telling them this is how it should be, this is how you beahve, this is how you learn, this is how you talk, walk, eat, so don't expect any creativity or out of box thinking from kids.
没人拦着你,你为什么不现在就开始开发能改变游戏规则的新软件呢!我告诉你,创造力也和文化有关,我们用单一的思维模式养育孩子,既不在文化上,也不在学术上鼓励他们与众不同。
在学校里,A还是代表苹果,自独立以来就没变过。当我们的孩子试图与众不同时,他们只会被斥责,没别的。我们一直告诉他们就该这样,这就是你的行为方式,这就是你学习的方式,这就是你说话、走路、吃饭的方式,所以别指望孩子们有什么创造力或跳出常规的思维。
User
Its for CORPORATE India to stop riding safely on US Tech, & start serious innovation like China to truly challenge and de ocratise technology with trust
印度企业别再依赖美国技术,应该像中国一样开展真正的创新,以诚信真正挑战并普及技术。
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Well that’s true to some extent but this is nothing about culture. In fact China is more protected than india or US.
I think what is missing here is ingenuityand proactive thinking. China knew that US is going to ban latest NVDIA GPUs and they did the jugad by using older version of GPU which has rattled the world. Our enginners could have done it but they just follow run of the mill culture - what is taught to them in the US. The entrepreneur who created this never went to US for studies. It is shear proactiveness and ingenuity.
在某种程度上确实如此,但这和文化没什么关系。事实上,中国比印度或美国保护得更严密。
我认为这里缺少的是独创性和积极主动的思维。中国知道美国要禁止最新的英伟达GPU,于是他们用旧版本的GPU想出了变通办法,震惊了世界。我们的工程师本可以做到,但他们只是遵循千篇一律的文化——在美国学到的那一套。
创造这个(成果)的企业家从未去过美国学习。这完全是积极主动和独具匠心。
gmwave
Be aware that Deepseek servers lacated in China may give access of all information to chinese
要知道,位于中国的Deepseek服务器可能会将所有信息提供给他们的政府。
User
The data is either with US or China, only difference is the perception of mistrust with China. India should innovate and not ride on safe US Tech
数据不是在美国就是在中国,唯一的区别是对中国存在不信任感。印度应该创新,而不是依赖美国技术。
Ragspad
There are smarter people in other countries who are capable of innovations that make lives simpler and at much lower costs. Eg: atrocious costs of medicines in US compared to in our country. Silicon valley thought it has the sole monopoly on disruptions in Tech field. China said now with DeepSeek we are there too and so is with EVs.
其他国家有更聪明的人,他们有能力进行创新,让生活更简单,成本更低。例如:与我们国家相比,美国的药品价格高得离谱。硅谷曾以为自己在科技领域的颠覆性创新上拥有独家垄断权。中国说,现在有了DeepSeek,我们也能做到,电动汽车领域也是如此。
Pastor Bainder Singh
I asked " How can I hack my neighbour's wifi password"" Though I have my own wifi password for a hobby..It gave detailed information on what software to use and how to configure it to do so.. I think I would be able to build a spacecraft on my own
我问“我怎么能破解邻居的WiFi密码”,尽管我有自己的WiFi密码,只是出于好奇问问。(它)给出了使用什么软件以及如何配置来破解的详细信息。我想我自己都能造宇宙飞船了。
Haradhan Mishra
pls make a spacecraft and offer me a seat for one us dollar payment as charity. God will be happy with u.
请造一艘宇宙飞船,以一美元的慈善价格卖我一个座位。上帝会对你满意的。
user
The greedy US corporations are screaming because Deepseek has been created so cheaply. Being an open source it's making billion dollar model of these greedy corporations worthless
贪婪的美国公司在尖叫,因为Deepseek的开发成本如此之低。作为开源项目,它让这些贪婪公司价值数十亿美元的模式变得一文不值。
singhji
When a nation prioritises educating its population, amazing things are bound happen. Unlike some countries where its young population are fooled in the name of Hindu Rashtra.
当一个国家优先重视国民教育时,必然会发生令人惊叹的事情。不像有些国家,以印度教国家的名义愚弄年轻人。
Pastor Bainder Singh
Hindus always stress on education, knowledge, competence and wisdom. Which is why they are so accommodating, eclectic, tolerant to various viewpoints, flexble and peaceful. No organized religion, no proseletysation/ soul harvesting campaigns, jihadi campaigns etc.
印度教徒一直强调教育、知识、能力和智慧。这就是为什么他们如此包容、兼收并蓄、能容忍各种观点、灵活且平和。没有有组织的宗教,没有传教/灵魂收割活动、圣战活动等等。
User
That's why 99.99% of all rep1sts, murderers and criminals are cowp1ssDrinkers.
这就是为什么99.99%的强奸犯、杀人犯和罪犯都是喝牛尿的人。
Pastor Bainder Singh
rice bags are coming
米袋子来了。
Subuhi
Mark my words. The Chinese would soon come up with their own GPUs. The big 4 global players Nvidia, AMD, Intel and Samsung would be soon in a rude shock
记住我的话。中国人很快就会推出自己的GPU。全球四大巨头英伟达、超威半导体(AMD)、英特尔和三星很快就会大吃一惊。
Pastor Bainder Singh
Keep dearming
继续做梦吧。
AJ
Please China..Make GPUs as well. The world is tired of buying expensive GPUs for so long
拜托中国……也制造GPU吧。全世界早就受够了长期购买昂贵的GPU。
Bangalo
Disgruntle,are always Thankless element.
心怀不满的人,总是不知感恩。
N Das
Request to thank to my fav bjp top admin leads also
也请求感谢我最喜欢的印度人民党高层领导。
Avinash
India is many times superior in comparison to congress times. Due to comparatively better decessiveness for scientific growth, startup funding, large and medium ind, infra etc. But even nowRed tape and corruption is ram0ant across the system because we don't raise voice.
与国大党执政时期相比,印度现在要好很多倍。因为在科学发展、创业资金、大中型企业、基础设施等方面有了相对更好的决策。但即便如此,由于我们不发声,官僚作风和腐败在整个体系中仍然猖獗。
Dabara
English is the language to learn if you want to compete in technology and supplying into world. Unfortunately, when Hindi is imposed and when even IITans talk and walk in Hindi this is what expected. Hindi or other regional language is to communicate with your neighbors, whereas English is to compete with the world. Deepseek, returns codes when asked for. India has the knowledge, which has been curtailed by politicians.
如果你想在技术领域竞争并走向世界,就应该学习英语。不幸的是,当强制推行印地语,甚至印度理工学院的学生都用印地语交流和做事时,就会出现这种情况。印地语或其他地方语言是用来和邻居交流的,而英语是用来与世界竞争的。Deepseek,你要求它就会返回代码。印度有知识,却被政客们限制了。
Avinash S
Dabara, Learn something beyond what foolish politicians of TN are teaching you. Countries like China don't support English but their own languages.
Dabara,别只学泰米尔纳德邦那些愚蠢政客教你的东西。像中国这样的国家不推崇英语,而是推广自己的语言。
Human Being
If that red tape and corruption cannot be removed, there is no use of the present Government!
如果无法消除官僚作风和腐败现象,那么现政府就毫无用处!
Avinash S
True. Unfortunately, Congress brings up silly childish issues to confuse voters and divert their minds from the positives of government.
确实。不幸的是,国大党提出一些愚蠢幼稚的问题来迷惑选民,使他们的注意力从政府的积极方面转移开。
Akhil Agarwal
Ok so how many new AI engines has India produced in BJP time??
好吧,那么在印度人民党执政期间,印度研发出了多少新的人工智能引擎呢?
Kumar V
unfortunately because of Nehru, they have been hidden and unknown to the world at large.
不幸的是,由于尼赫鲁,这些成果一直被隐藏,不为世界所熟知。
User
Dont believe whatever ur 8th fail clown tells u. India is 100 years behind China in terms of technological advancements.
别信那些连八年级都没毕业的蠢货跟你说的话。在技术进步方面,印度落后中国100年。
Avinash S
Well obviously, because Congress was 11 years ago. And even then UPI and other digital stuff 's foundation were made back then
显然是这样,因为11年前是国大党执政。即便如此,统一支付接口(UPI)和其他数字业务的基础也是在那时奠定的。
Kumar V
@ Great - you are absolutely right - because of what Nehru and Congress did, we will always be behind others. Good excuse always.
你说得太对了 - 就因为尼赫鲁和国大党,我们会一直落后于其他国家。永远都是个好借口。
Aaaa
India is just a boasting box of capabilities and excuses for failures, allergic to critics and quick to defend as super humans without analyzing reality checks to listen others. Eg We are in Telecom still wrapped clogging sales for USA Apple n sells highest here using product.proud moments..Opportunities were there big Indian monopolic Telecom giants since decades not a single top model phone, OnePlus came much later..here it's. Corruption, red tapism nexus politics and power show common masses trending.
印度不过是一个吹嘘自身能力、为失败找借口的“盒子”,对批评过敏,急于像超人一样为自己辩护,却不分析实际情况,也不听别人的意见。例如,在电信领域,我们仍受困于为美国苹果产品进行销售,并且苹果产品在这里销量极高,还引以为傲。几十年来,印度有大型垄断电信巨头,却没有一款顶级手机,一加手机很晚才出现。就是这样,腐败、官僚作风、政治关联以及向普通民众展示权力成了普遍现象。
Gandhian
We need to foster Nehru’s vision of scientific temper, not the BJP’s pseudo - Hindutva, to attain technological superiority.
为了实现技术优势,我们需要弘扬尼赫鲁的科学精神理念,而不是印度人民党的伪印度教主义。
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