China launched yet another nuclear submarine. 7th in the last 2 years

中国又下水了一艘核潜艇。这是过去两年里的第七艘。

how many nuclear fueled attack submarines China is building right now. How does that compare with the US, both today and in the cold war. What the future production might be for both sides. We will also cover what new features does the Chinese type 093b submarine have, bringing it ever closer in capability to US Virginia class submarines.

中国目前正在建造多少艘核动力攻击型潜艇呢？与美国相比情况如何呢，无论是在当下还是在冷战时期？双方未来会建造多少艘核潜艇呢？

中国093B型潜艇有哪些新特性，性能上越来越接近美国的“弗吉尼亚”级潜艇。

以下是外国网友的评论：

zman-ru3yf
Better go after our REAL enemies.... Canada

最好去对付我们真正的敌人加拿大。

aeophylus
AUKUS should quietly send a delegation to China and ask if they can buy a few ready built subs for them!

美英澳三边安全伙伴关系（AUKUS）应该悄悄派一个代表团去中国，问问他们能不能找他们买几艘现成的潜艇！

aburetik4866
US navy total tonnage is only 4 million. In 2023 alone, China built 43.22 million tons of ships. That’s 10 US navy in a year! Just imagine if China turns that massive ship building capacity into military purpose. It can make American navy look like a small kitty in no time

美国海军总吨位只有400万吨。仅在2023年，中国就建造了4322万吨的船只。这相当于一年建造了10支美国海军的规模！想象一下，如果中国把如此庞大的造船能力用于军事用途。很快就能让美国海军看起来像只小猫咪一样微不足道。

khairulhelmihashim2510
China learned their hardest lesson 2 centuries ago. If you don't have a strong deterrent navy, foreign navies will arrive to shores demanding concessions.

中国在两个世纪前吸取了最惨痛的教训。如果你没有一支强大的具有威慑力的海军，外国海军就会耀武扬威来到你的海岸，要求获得特权。

ChuckNorrizzed
USA has 800 bases surrounding China.
So China built 800 subs surrounding USA.

美国有800个军事基地环绕着中国。

所以中国造了800艘潜艇环绕着美国。

ArdeltaTrading
The PLA is no threat in the Big Boys Badass Club. Sure, we are the first to admit our many mistake, losses, etc. but China always paints an embarrassing obvious bullsh*t picture of perfection to the world. Meanwhile, the USA has decades of battle hardened experience, volunteer soldiers with passion, purpose, courage, and determination, superior quality equipment, etc.

中国人民解放军在那些所谓“强国俱乐部”里算不上威胁。诚然，我们美方率先承认自身存在诸多失误、遭受过不少损失等等。但中国总是向世界描绘一幅看似完美却令人尴尬的虚假图景。

美国拥有数十年实战历练的经验，志愿兵满怀激情、目标明确、勇气可嘉、意志坚定，而且装备精良，等等。

ChuckNorrizzed
Experience fights dudes with sandals cam out in holes in a jungle and cave…. And you still lost

你们美国有与穿着凉鞋在丛林洞穴里扎营的人作战的经验，可你们还是输了。

homesteadstowe9046
@ChuckNorrizzed Win or lose at least we have experience. People's Lame Army doesn't and will immediately be wiped out. And their participation in Korea is immaterial since they lost far more troops even the the war was considered a no win tie on both sides.

无论输赢，起码我们美国有作战经验。他们可没有，可能会被迅速歼灭。况且他们在朝鲜战争中的表现无关紧要，因为即便这场战争被视为双方都未取胜的平局，他们损失的兵力也多得多。

wingng4331
Come to South China Sea and find out. UASSA love to say they have so much battle experience, in reality they lost to Vietnam and Afghanistan. Disgrace.

有种就来南海试试。美国总爱吹嘘自己有多么丰富的作战经验，可实际上，他们在越南战争和阿富汗战争中都吃了败仗。真是丢人现眼。

JPN_Navy
Chinese naval submarines are not a threat. China is an army country, not a naval country, and its technology and training have yet to catch up. Japan's submarines and anti-submarine capabilities are equal to or better than those of the US Navy. If China were to invade Taiwan, no doubt many ships would be sunk by Japanese submarines.

中国海军潜艇不足为惧。中国是一个陆军强国，而非海军强国，其技术和训练水平还有待提升。日本的潜艇和反潜能力与美国海军相当，甚至更胜一筹。要是中国武统台湾，毫无疑问，日本潜艇能击沉许多中国舰艇。

LudosErgoSum
US is fudged!!! Time to leave NATO and ally with China before US n*kes starts firing off in every direction - I have no trust in Trump/Vance to keep cool headed.

美国这下可麻烦大了！是时候退出北约，在美军核武器四处发射之前与中国结盟了——我可不相信特朗普或万斯能保持冷静理智。

horridohobbies
According to a leaked US Navy briefing, China's shipbuilding capacity is 232 times greater than that of the US.
China isn't even trying. If China pushes hard to expand her navy, we could see many more warships built every year.

据一份泄露的美国海军简报显示，中国的造船能力是美国的232倍。

中国甚至还没使出全力。要是中国大力扩充海军，每年建造的军舰数量将会更多。

deragoth4250
While that is true you also have to consider naval recruitment, china’s current economic concern and also future cost in maintenance so any expansion must be done with care

话虽如此，但你也得考虑海军征兵情况、中国当前的经济状况，以及未来的维护成本。所以，任何扩充行动都必须谨慎行事。

horridohobbies
@deragoth4250 I'm thinking about wartime. If the US is foolish enough to start a war with China, then China will transition into a war economy. China's industrial capacity will completely overwhelm the US, not only in ships but in planes and missiles and tanks and so on. In a long, protracted war, every passing year means the US grows weaker and weaker relative to China.
If China's security is threatened, millions of Chinese will line up to fight. We've seen this play out over the past century

我考虑的是战时情况。要是美国愚蠢到向中国挑起战争，中国就会转入战时经济模式。中国的工业产能将完全压倒美国，不仅体现在造船方面，飞机、导弹、坦克等领域也是如此。在一场漫长持久的战争中，随着时间的推移，美国的实力相对中国会越来越弱。

一旦中国的安全受到威胁，数以百万计的中国人会踊跃参军作战。在过去的一个世纪里，我们已经见证过这种情况。

kangbule
@deragoth4250 Regardless of the percentage of China's military expenditure in GDP, don't forget that China has a population of 1.4 billion and 4 million engineers every year.

不管中国军费开支在国内生产总值中占比多少，别忘了中国有14亿人口，而且每年培养出400万工程师。

deragoth4250
not saying China can’t surpass USA. But building too fast mean it can’t keep up with navy recruitment. Joining the navy isn’t the best particularly if there are better jobs around. And of course maintenance afterwards eats up lots of resources. I hear the USA nuclear aircraft carriers takes years to refuel

我不是说中国无法超越美国。但造舰速度过快，意味着海军征兵工作可能跟不上。当周围有更好的工作机会时，参军入伍可不是最好的选择。当然，后续的维护保养也会消耗大量资源。我听说美国的核动力航母进行一次燃料补给都得花上好几年时间。

passby8070
China has about 200x the ship building capacity then the US. I am surprised that China can make 7 nuclear subs at the speed of US making a single sub.

中国的造船能力大约是美国的200倍。美国造一艘核潜艇的时间，中国能造7艘，这真让我惊讶。

graveperil2169
after just watching Zelensky visit to the USA and the way he was treated came here to cheer on China

刚刚看完泽连斯基访美以及他受到的待遇，就到这儿来为中国加油打气了。

domokun845
Yeah, that meeting was nuts. Like kids arguing abt who has the better toy. This is the kind of toxc culture in a lot of US businesses unfortunately.

是啊，那次会面太荒唐了。就像小孩子在争论谁的玩具更好一样。很不幸，这正是美国许多企业中存在的不良文化。

lolasdm6959
@graveperil2169 you know China did mediate a better ceasefire after the failed first Russian offensive Boris Johnson made sure that didn’t go through

你知道吗，在俄罗斯首次进攻失利后，中国曾促成了一个更好的停火协议，但鲍里斯·约翰逊却从中作梗，让协议未能达成。

graveperil2169
that was way back when the USA was not an Allie of Russia, Times change so lets see what China will offer for peace and rare earths

那都是很久以前的事了，那时美国还不是俄罗斯的盟友。时代变了，让我们看看中国会为了和平以及稀土资源做出怎样的努力吧。

irritatedanglosaxon1705
@graveperil2169 to say Ukraine has rare earths and Ukraine won were sourgrapes. Only US citizwns believed in what Anglosaxon medias said without facts. Now Ukraine is losing, US regime will leave them

说乌克兰有稀土资源，还说乌克兰赢了，这纯粹是酸葡萄心理。只有美国民众才会轻信盎格鲁 - 撒克逊媒体毫无根据的言论。如今乌克兰节节败退，美国政府肯定会抛弃他们。

bestestusername
America is a mess even after trump, all the wrong focus, small thinking mentality. Such a shame they were a great power now just withering.

即便特朗普卸任了，美国依旧一团糟。关注点全错，思维格局狭小。曾经的强国如今日渐衰落，实在令人惋惜。

laowantongchau
China is grateful that Obama woke them up with the pivot to Asia Pacific policy, positioning 60% of the US Naval forces to Asia. China then decided to build up its navy on overdrive since.
China was happy just producing consumer goods to make tons of money before that. Then they realized getting rich will need serious protection from the pirates with aircraft carriers

奥巴马推行的“重返亚太”政策，将60%的美国海军力量部署到亚洲，这反倒给中国提了个醒，中国对此心怀感激。自那以后，中国便决心大力发展海军。

在此之前，中国靠生产消费品赚得盆满钵满，倒也满足。但后来意识到，想要富起来，就得有航母这样的强大力量，才能抵御“海上强盗”。

1977Yakko
The quality of Chinese hardware might be suspect (or it might be functional enough) but if nothing else, I do wonder if the US will find itself in the situation Japan was in WWII. By that I mean we better win a conflict against China within 6 months or else Chinese production capability might win it for the China through sheer attrition.

中国的硬件装备质量或许有待商榷，也可能性能足够，但不管怎样，我在想，美国会不会陷入当年日本在二战时的境地。也就是说，美国最好在6个月内赢得与中国的冲突，否则仅凭消耗战，中国的生产能力，能拖垮美国

cashflownpv
The Chinese may be behind now but with their incredible STEM producing graduate machine vs US Gender-DEI studies we know that China will leapfrog the West. We're seeing it now. My country Canada is totally hopeless and hapless

中国人目前或许还落后，但中国在科学、技术、工程和数学（STEM）领域培养出的大量人才，与美国专注于性别多元化、公平与包容（DEI）研究形成鲜明对比。我们知道，中国终将超越西方。这一趋势已经显现。而我的国家加拿大，真是毫无希望、无能为力。

user-bm9jq4fo8u
Russia (USSR) tried over building ships and submarines also and then found they could not afford to maintain the fleet and now they are rusting old hulks.

俄罗斯（苏联时期）也曾过度建造舰艇和潜艇，后来发现根本无力维持舰队的运营。如今，那些舰艇已经是锈迹斑斑的废铁。

shanerooney7288
I remember YEARS ago it was news that China's submarine factory got an expansion. The factory was large, and had a sort of production line setup. At the time there was lots of talk about USA falling behind.
Then everyone forgot about it.

我记得多年前有消息称，中国的潜艇制造厂进行了扩建。那家工厂规模很大，还设置了类似生产线的设施。当时很多人都在讨论美国会因此落后。
可后来大家就把这事抛诸脑后了。

carbonylgroup12888
One important thing about these submarines is that so far they haven’t really figured out how to make them quiet. Obviously they’re still super deadly but they wouldn’t last long in a non nuclear war.

这些潜艇的一个重要问题是，到目前为止，他们还没真正掌握让潜艇静音的技术。显然，这些潜艇依然极具杀伤力，但在非核战争中，它们恐怕撑不了多久。

bertyforever836
And every time we buy something made in China, we build them another military vessel.

我们每买一件中国制造的商品，就等于帮他们中国又造了一艘军舰。

chaoblinka
That's right and according to blockbuster "2012", China builds a fleet of Noah's Ark 2.0 to save humanity. Welcome aboard

没错，而且根据大片《2012》的情节，中国建造了一支“诺亚方舟2.0”舰队来拯救人类。欢迎登船！

awolffromamongus875
China would have to terified of waking the slee giant of US Contractors having money thrown at them and given free reign to design and build navy equipment.

中国肯定会害怕唤醒美国承包商这头“沉睡的巨兽”。一旦给他们大笔资金，任由他们设计和建造海军装备，可不得了。

fakkel321
Yea more nuclear subs and bombs in the world. So there is a bigger chance something can go wrong. We are so doomed. Going to be fun to see if its AI,pollution or a nuke. Close race

是啊，世界上的核潜艇和核弹越来越多。这样一来，出问题的可能性就更大了。我们真是在劫难逃啊。看看最终是人工智能、污染，还是核武器来终结一切，还挺有意思的，这几者之间难分高下呢。

hnroberts9922
The US military-industrial complex gets Congressional funding by scaring the beJesus out of politicians with inflated threat analyses Power Point slides. That serves the purpose to ensure that our military's capabilities are always a generation ahead of other nations.

美国军工复合体播放幻灯片，夸大威胁分析，把政客们吓得不轻，逼得国会拨款。这么做的目的，就是要确保美国军队的实力始终领先其他国家一代。

Tjalie-j6i
China had extensively expanded their submarine building docks capabilities in recent years.
Not only that, but China has been modernising those facilities as well.
Well, beyond anything the USA is doing and can do in the coming decades.
We don't really know how many submarines China is currently building and how that production is ram up.
But seeing the enormous investments in those docks, it must be quite a large number.

近年来，中国大幅提升了潜艇建造船坞的能力。

不仅如此，中国还对这些设施进行了现代化改造。

嗯，这远远超过了美国目前所做的，以及未来几十年内能够做到的程度。

我们并不清楚中国目前正在建造多少艘潜艇，也不知道建造速度有多快。

但从对这些船坞的巨额投资来看，建造数量肯定相当可观。

arrykuehn3894
That construction cadence for the US is wildly optimistic, given the huge debt load the US Government has. Which is increasing year on year by 2.3 trillion. How long before there is a Zambia, or Argentina moment?

考虑到美国政府背负着巨额债务，且债务每年以2.3万亿美元的速度增长。不知道还要过多久，美国才会迎来像赞比亚或阿根廷那样的危机时刻呢？

breachfirearms5753
Quantity doesn’t mean quality and yes I know the Stalin quote. China hasn’t fought a modern naval war “essentially” ever, they are not and have no blue navy experience, until something “god forbid”, sparks off, it’s speculation

数量并不代表质量，斯大林说过类似的话。从本质上讲，中国从未打过一场现代海战，他们没有也不曾有过蓝水海军的作战经验。除非发生“天不遂人愿”的事情，引发冲突，否则一切都只是猜测。

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