At which periods in history was Korea more powerful and wealthier than contemporary Chinese dynasties?
在历史上的哪些时期,韩国曾比同时期的中国王朝更强大、更富有呢
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Shin Ho Jun(韩国网友)
As a Korean who values both contemporary scholarly achievements and traditional historiography, I recognize that there were periods when Korea was more powerful and wealthier than contemporary Chinese dynasties, such as the Ming(Myeong, 明) and Qing(Cheong, 清).
In recorded historiography, spanning ancient and classical times, several key periods highlight Korea’s historical prominence:
作为一名既看重当代学术成就又重视传统史学的韩国人,我认为曾有一些时期,韩国比当时的中国明清等王朝更为强大富有。
在有记载的史学中,从古代到古典时期,几个关键阶段凸显了韩国在历史上的重要地位:
The State of Hwan(Hwan-guk):
A federated system where Corean leaders were chosen through a structured selection process. This era predates the divergence of Corean and early Chinese civilizations, which the Chinese later mythologized as Pán Gǔ(盤古).
The State of Sinsi-Baedal(Sinsi-Baedal-guk):
A period where distinct Korean cultural identity emerged. Mount Baekdu served as a cultural and political hub. During this time, Chi-woo triumphed over the Chinese Emperor in the Battle of Tak-rok, in the era of Hwan-ung.
The States of Goguryeo(Coree) and Baekje(Kuen-na-ra):
These two powerful states established strongholds along the Chinese mainland shoreline and occupied critical geopolitical positions, influencing trade and diplomacy.
The State of Corea:
During this period, Corea’s trade supremacy outmatched that of the Northern Nomadic nations, while the Han Chinese Song Dynasty struggled to compete. Corea’s role in regional commerce and diplomacy was unmatched.
This brief overview, drawn from collected historical records and knowledge, provides insight into East Asian history and Korea’s significant role within it.
Edit 1: March 4th, 2025(4348), KST 10:12 (Pyeongyang 09:42)
桓国:
这是一个联邦制国家,朝鲜领导人通过有序的选拔程序产生。这个时代早于朝鲜文明与早期中华文明的分化,而后来中国人将其神化为盘古开天的时期。
辰斯拜达国(Sinsi-Baedal-guk):
这是一个独特的韩国文化身份得以形成的时期。长白山成为文化和政治中心。在此期间,蚩尤在太洛之战中战胜了中国皇帝,那是在桓雄时代。 (注:这个是韩国网友,蚩尤是中国古代神话人物,与韩国历史无关)
高句丽和百济国:
这两个强大的国家在中国大陆海岸线建立了据点,占据关键地缘政治位置,对贸易和外交产生了影响。
朝鲜国:
在此期间,朝鲜的贸易优势超过了北方游牧民族,而汉族的宋朝在竞争中举步维艰。朝鲜在地区商业和外交方面的作用无人能及。
这段简短概述,源自收集的历史记录和知识,有助于深入了解东亚历史以及韩国在其中的重要角色。
编辑1:2025年3月4日(4348年),韩国标准时间10点12分(平壤时间9点42分)
(注:这个网友是韩国人)
Thomas Lew
WHEN CHINA WAS ROUTED BY G8. THEY STOLE EVERYTHING-FLOOD CHINA WITH OPIUM THAT RENDER SOCIETY USELESS. THANKS TO …’’LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM’’…HE STRANSFORM CHINBA TO BE WORLD LEADER
当中国被八国联军击败时,他们列强掠夺了一切,还向中国倾销鸦片,让整个社会变得腐朽不堪。多亏了,让中国站了起来,成为了世界领袖
Gwydion Madawc Williams
Modern Korea emerged by stages out of several separate kingdoms.
And the whole of Korea would probably have been poorer than any of the richer Chinese province.
Normally part or all of Korea paid tribute to the current Chinese dynasty. Not occupied, but finding the ties valuable.
This included being the intermediary between China and Japan. Except for one Shogun, no ruler in Japan would accept China as even a nominal superior. And China before modern times mostly accepted no equals. The only case was where two dynasties both ruled large parts of the core of China. Mostly north and south.
现代韩国是由几个独立的王国逐步发展而来的。
而且,整个韩国可能曾比中国任何一个富裕的省份都要贫穷。
通常情况下,韩国的部分地区或全部地区会向当时的中国王朝进贡。这并非是被占领,而是韩国觉得这种联系有价值。
这其中包括充当中国和日本之间的中间人。除了一位幕府将军外,日本没有统治者会承认中国哪怕是名义上的上级。而在近代以前,中国大多也不承认有与之平等的国家。唯一的情况是两个王朝同时统治着中国核心区域的大部分地区,大多是南北分治的局面。
Mickelson Moaselle
No dynasty in Korea was more powerful than china
Some delusional Korean say that gaguryeo was more powerful no they were not more powerful and they were not even Koreans
韩国的任何一个王朝都没有中国强大。
一些抱有不切实际幻想的韩国人说高句丽更强大。不,他们并不强大,而且他们甚至都不算真正的韩国人。
Il Hwan Lee
I believe during Korean Three Kingdoms era, Goguryeo was arguably on par with other Chinese dynasties at that time.
我认为在朝鲜三国时代,高句丽可以说与当时的其他中国王朝不相上下。
Youngin Pyo
During the Koguryeo (or maybe spelled as Goguryeo) dynasty. The name Korea was from Koryeo (Goryeo), the name of which was from it. It occupied most of the Manchuria. It defeated both the Suí dynasty and Tang dynasty badly. Especially, Suí was in trouble and ended up disappearing due to the unrecoverable defeat. The founder and his son of Tang should have thanked Koguryeo because they were able to found their country thanks to the defeat and disappearance. On the countrary, his son invaded Koguryeo and was given a huge blow.
在高句丽王朝时期。“韩国”(Korea)这个名字源于“高丽”(Koryeo 或 Goryeo),而高丽的名称就来自于高句丽。高句丽曾占据了满洲的大部分地区。它重创了隋朝和唐朝。尤其是隋朝,陷入困境,最终因无法挽回的失败而灭亡。
唐朝的开国皇帝及其儿子本应感谢高句丽,因为多亏了隋朝的失败和灭亡,他们才得以建立唐朝。相反,他的儿子入侵高句丽时却遭到了沉重打击。
Anglo Edu
During the Balhae Dynasty. This forgotten dynasty included much of the Liaoning Peninsula, thé lands of Manchuria, as far north west as present day Vladivostok, Siberia, and parts of Eastern Mongolia.
Weather pattern changes, a Climatic earthquake, the changes in Arctic cold winter patterns, made food crops unavailable during the permafrost periods.
The sudden earthquake destroyed many cities within the north of Siberia, leaving many people move down south and east to the Eurasian continent.
Many stone walls of former Trading outposts still remain but are just scattered stones.
Even ancient Chinese scholars from as far back as the Zhou or Shang dynasty wrote of these outpost cities inhabited by traveling merchants as well agrarian farmers of crops.
在渤海国时期。这个被遗忘的王朝疆域包括辽宁半岛的大部分地区、满洲的土地,最西北远至如今的西伯利亚海参崴,以及东蒙古的部分地区。
天气模式的变化、气候性地震以及北极寒冷冬季模式的改变,使得在永久冻土期粮食作物无法生长。
突如其来的地震摧毁了西伯利亚北部的许多城市,致使许多人向南和向东迁移到欧亚大陆。
昔日贸易前哨的许多石墙如今依然存在,但已只是散落的石块。
甚至早在商周时期的中国古代学者就曾记载过这些前哨城市,当时有行商和耕种作物的农民居住在那里。
Peter Ole Kvint
This is a good question. There were some periods between each dynasty where there was civil war in China but not in Korea.
Examples:
The period of the Warring States (Zhanguo or Chan-Kuo) about 475 BCE to 221 BCE.
The transition from Sui to Tang (613–628), or the Sui-Tang transition.
问得好。在中国各朝代之间的一些时期发生了内战,而韩国却没有。
例如:战国时期(公元前475年至公元前221年)。
隋朝到唐朝的过渡时期(613年至628年),即隋唐交替时期。
Old Six Rabbit
Northeastern Chinese: South Korea ever stronger than China?! Your question already offends us, I have watched their historical films. Basically, in their films the image of the Northeast people is can tear Koreans alive.Don't bother us(`⌒´メ)… otherwise, we tear you guys in pieces.
中国东北人:韩国曾比中国强大?!你的问题已经冒犯到我们了,我看过他们的历史电影。基本上,在他们的电影里,东北人的形象是能把韩国人活生生撕碎的。别来烦我们, 否则,我们就把你们撕成碎片。
Richard Wang
This kind of thing has never happened in history.
历史上,韩国从来没有比中国强大过
Jason.kete
No matter what period, the Chinese dynasty was stronger and richer, and there is no comparison. Korea has never been able to invade China in history, but China has often invaded and bullied Korea, which basically explains everything.
Of course, because of the mountainous terrain and extremely cold weather, it is not an easy task to conquer Korea. More than one Chinese emperor or dynasty's main goal is to make the King of Korea submit to themselves. There are actually not many Chinese dynasties that want to directly control colonization.
Even the Yuan Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty, two Chinese dynasties established by non-Han people, have no interest in directly controlling Korea (one very important reason is that they are relatively poor)
Even if you exclude the Yuan and Qing dynasties founded by the Mongols and Manchus, any dynasty founded by the Chinese (Han) at any time was still far more powerful and wealthy than Korea. . .
Well, this question doesn't make much sense. The so-called Korean region has long been invaded or colonized by Chinese dynasties or has become a vassal state of China. Even according to Chinese historical records, the earliest Jizi Joseon in the Korean region was a descendant of the failed Chinese Shang Dynasty who fled to the Korean region to establish a regime. What do you think?
Reading historical materials, you will find that Chinese dynasties always liked to invade the Korean region, while the Korean region has never been able to invade the Chinese region. . .
During the Han Dynasty, China directly colonized half of Korea
During the Sui and Tang dynasties, China frequently attacked the Korean regime, and Goguryeo was eventually destroyed by the Tang dynasty. A large number of Silla and Goguryeo women were sold to China as slaves or even prostitutes by the Tang dynasty Chinese. (Of course, Goguryeo, strictly speaking, was not a real Korean regime, just like the Qing and Yuan dynasties in China)
Ming Dynasty is almost the most beloved Chinese dynasty by Koreans. They are not only a vassal state of China, but also the Chinese emperor said during the Imin War that the land of Korea is the land of China and the people of Korea are also the people of China. Even after the bar ric Manchus replaced the Chinese and established the Qing Dynasty, the Lee Dynasty still used the reign title of the Chinese emperor of the Ming Dynasty as the reign title of their own country.
无论在哪个时期,中国的王朝都比韩国更强大、更富有,这是无可比拟的。历史上韩国从未能够入侵中国,但中国却常常进攻和欺压韩国,这基本上能说明一切了。
当然,由于韩国多山地貌和极其寒冷的天气,征服韩国并非易事。不止一位中国皇帝或王朝的主要目标是让朝鲜国王臣服于自己。实际上,想要直接控制并殖民韩国的中国王朝并不多。
就连由非汉族建立的元朝和清朝这两个中国朝代,也对直接控制韩国不感兴趣(一个很重要的原因是韩国相对贫穷)。
即使排除掉由蒙古人和满族人建立的元朝和清朝,任何由汉人建立的中国王朝在任何时候也都远比韩国强大富有得多
嗯,这个问题没什么意义。所谓的韩国地区长期以来一直被中国朝代入侵、殖民,或者成为中国的附属国。甚至根据中国的历史记载,韩国地区最早的箕子朝鲜,是中国商朝灭亡后其后代逃到韩国地区建立的政权。你怎么看呢?
阅读历史资料,你会发现中国的朝代总是喜欢入侵韩国地区,而韩国地区却从未有能力入侵中国地区
汉朝时期,中国直接殖民了半个韩国。
隋唐时期,中国频繁攻打韩国政权,高句丽最终被唐朝所灭。唐朝时期,大量新罗和高句丽的女子被中国人贩卖到中国成为奴隶甚至妓女。(当然,严格来说,高句丽并非真正的韩国政权)
明朝是韩国人最喜欢的中国朝代。他们当时不仅是中国的附属国,而且中国皇帝在壬辰倭乱期间曾说过,朝鲜的土地是中国的土地,朝鲜的人民也是中国的人民。甚至清朝建立后,李氏王朝仍然使用中国明朝皇帝的年号作为自己国家的年号。
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