曼尼普尔邦谈判陷入僵局，库基人坚持要求建立自己一个“独立邦”

Manipur talks stuck as Kukis insist on ‘separate hill state’

曼尼普尔邦谈判陷入僵局，库基人坚持要求建立“独立的山区邦”

With the body of a youth killed in Manipur’s Kuki-dominated Kangpokpi on March 8 finally handed over to his family, authorities there said Wednesday they expect protests and blockade in the district to end soon.

However, the road to lasting peace in the restive state may be a long way off. Ongoing talks between the Kuki-Zo community and Centre’s interlocutor A K Mishra are unlikely to make much headway with the former sticking to its demand for a “separate hill state” after hiving off Meitei-dominated Valley areas.

3月8日在曼尼普尔邦库基人占主导的康波克比地区遇害的一名青年的遗体最终被交还给了他的家人。当地政府于周三表示，预计该地区的抗议活动和封锁很快就会结束。

然而，这个动荡不安的邦要实现持久和平可能还有很长的路要走。库基-佐族群体与中央政府的调解人A·K·米什拉之间正在进行的谈判不太可能取得太大进展，因为前者坚持在将梅泰人占主导的河谷地区分离出去后，建立一个“独立的山区邦”的诉求。

1,000 arms surrendered in Manipur after guv call

The demand, which goes against the Constitutional framework, will not be acceptable to the Centre.

Govt also does not seem keen to concede to the Kuki demand for a separate administrative framework for the tribal-dominated hilly regions either, recognising that it can fuel the demand for a separate state, besides giving fillip to separatist tendencies in the strategically crucial border state.

在邦长呼吁后，曼尼普尔邦有1000件武器被上缴

这一违背宪法框架的诉求不会被中央政府接受。

政府似乎也不太愿意答应库基人提出的为部落占主导的山区建立一个单独行政架构的要求，因为政府认识到，这不仅会助长建立一个独立邦的诉求，还会加剧这个具有重要战略意义的边境邦的分离主义倾向。

Still, efforts would be to stay engaged with both Meitei and Kuki-Zo communities, while tactfully persuading the latter to settle for a solution within the four corners of the Constitution, including granting them more autonomy and preserving their unique culture, heritage and language.

Sources said the district magistrate and superintendent of police of Kangpokpi had been engaging with Kuki-Zo protestors over the past few days to persuade them to accept the body of the local killed during protests on March 8, amid clashes between them and security forces.

尽管如此，政府仍会努力与梅泰族和库基-佐族群体保持接触，同时巧妙地劝说后者在宪法框架内寻求解决方案，包括给予他们更多自治权，并保护他们独特的文化、遗产和语言。

消息人士称，在过去几天里，康波克比地区的行政长官和警察局长一直在与库基-佐族抗议者接触，劝说他们接收在3月8日抗议活动中遇害的当地人的遗体，当时抗议者与安全部队之间发生了冲突。

The killing had triggered further tension with Kuki-Zo protestors ordering a shutdown, apart from blocking roads and stop the movement of vehicles. “The blockade call was given for all areas with a significant Kuki-Zo population. But its effect was seen largely in Kangpokpi. However, the talks between the local administration and community representatives have made headway, with the family of the deceased protester taking back his body for last rites,” said a Manipur govt functionary.

这起死亡事件引发了进一步的紧张局势，库基-佐族抗议者下令关闭当地事务，还封锁道路并阻止车辆通行。一名曼尼普尔邦政府官员表示：“封锁令针对的是库基-佐族人口占相当比例的所有地区。但主要在康波克比地区产生了影响。不过，当地政府与社区代表之间的谈判已取得进展，遇难抗议者的家属已领回遗体准备举行最后的葬礼仪式。”

以下是印度时报读者的评论：

User Factual
The public, Hindus in particular need to understand that Kukis are a Christian terror group. The fanatic missionaries, funded from abroad, have converted the good Kuki tribals, to a Hindu hating , rootless militant group, that deals in drug smuggling. This terror group is also internally supported by christian/anti-Hindu parties like Congress and co unists.

公众，尤其是印度教徒需明白，库基人是一个基督教恐怖组织。那些受国外资助的狂热传教士，把善良的库基部落民众，洗脑成了一个仇视印度教徒、没有根基的武装组织，还从事毒品走私活动。这个恐怖组织在国内也得到了诸如国大党和印共这类基督教或反印度教政党的支持。

Sham Nv
Agree. BJP govr should handle christian terrorists same way as Jihadis. Else they will loose Manipur if they handle with kid gloves. Take over hilly region remove ST status to Kukis as they are christians which is illegal to give sc/St ststus other than Hindus

同意。印度人民党政府应像对待圣战分子那样对付基督教恐怖分子。否则，若处理时小心翼翼，就会失去曼尼普尔邦。我们应接管山区，取消库基人的表列部落地位，他们是基督徒，除印度教徒外给予其他人表列种姓或表列部落地位是违法的。

Gidos
All problems will amicably be resolved if wekick outfakegandhis out of Hind coz thisfamily is putting ghee on fire for selfish reason in order to grab treasury of Hind bykhoonipanja. Here also they’ve done huge plantation of poppy seeds.

要是我们把假甘地家族赶出印度，所有问题都能妥善解决。这个家族出于自私目的煽风点火，妄图通过血腥手段攫取印度的财富。他们在这儿还大量种植了罂粟籽。

Rise India
so now we see the true reason for violence in Manipur. foreign money has poured into this. a separate state for kuki christians was the goal. then more illegals, arms & drugs will flow in from myanmar easily. ultimate goal (as already stated by western deep state) is to create a Christian country consisting of parts of India, Bangladesh and myanmar. destabilisation efforts in Bangladesh and myanmar has already been successful. but not in india. remember same tactics were used to create a Christian country called timor-leste out of Indonesia. we have modi, shah, yogi, himanta and bjp. we will not allow anymore territory of india to be taken away like we did Pakistan and Bangladesh. no more religious bigotry from either the muslims or the christian western deepstate. talk with the kukis and mske them realize, else keep them in control. a large chunk of them are illegals from myanmar and must be thrown out.

所以现在我们看到了曼尼普尔邦发生暴力事件的真正原因。外国资金已大量涌入此地。库基基督徒的目标是建立一个独立的邦。届时，更多非法移民、武器和毒品将轻易从缅甸流入。正如西方深层政府早已宣称的那样，最终目标是创建一个由印度、孟加拉国和缅甸部分地区组成的基督教国家。

孟加拉国和缅甸的动荡局势已被成功煽动起来，但在印度却没有得逞。记住，同样的手段曾被用于从印度尼西亚分离出一个叫东帝汶的基督教国家。我们有莫迪、沙阿、约吉、希曼塔和印度人民党。我们不会再让印度的领土像巴基斯坦和孟加拉国那样被分割出去。无论是msl，还是西方深层政府的基督徒，都不应再有宗教偏见。和库基人谈判，让他们认识到问题所在，否则就对他们加以控制。他们中的很大一部分人是来自缅甸的非法移民，必须将他们驱逐出去。

A
You said it. That's why Muslim inflow from Bangladeshis must be stopped. Mr. Stalin's concern about changing demography too mut be looked at wirh respect to this.

你说得对。这就是为什么必须阻止孟加拉国msl的流入。斯大林先生对人口结构变化的担忧也必须从这个角度来审视。

Ishwar Rao
Khangress directed and sponsored Manipur crisis has emboldened kukis to demand separate state . It is good govt rejected outrightly there demand . Kukis are sponsored and funded by Christian missionaries under patronage of anti-national khangress party . Since last 70 years khangress has contributed a lot to Manipur crisis . Today bjp is following the right policy of controlling the kuki militancy

国大党主导并资助了曼尼普尔邦的危机，这让库基人有恃无恐地要求建立独立邦。政府断然拒绝他们的要求是正确的。库基人是在反国家的国大党庇护下，由基督教传教士资助和支持的。在过去的70年里，国大党对曼尼普尔邦的危机“贡献”巨大。如今，印度人民党正采取正确的政策来控制库基人的武装行动。

Prakash Bodwade
Ask guruji to visit the region, and give some gyan

让大师去那个地区看看，传授一些智慧。

Aslam Khan
I have only one Q
From where these group find the weapons?

我只有一个问题。

这些组织从哪里搞到的武器呢？

Preetham shetty
Why R U planning buy a second hand one?

你为什么打算买个二手的呢？

Kricket
Possibly from Fruday or Sunday gatherings

可能是从周五或周日的集会中获取武器。

Ayikousik
One of the boldest moves would be to reorganise ALL states with NO consideration on religion, language, ..etc. Just take a foot rule and draw vertical / horizontal lines on the map..!!

最大胆的举措之一是重新划分所有邦的边界，而不考虑宗教、语言等因素。只需拿一把英尺尺，在地图上画些竖线或横线就行！

mmmm
ENOUGH! of this stupid continuing bifurcation of states. We are one country this cannot be allowed to continue

够了！别再愚蠢地继续分割各邦了。我们是一个国家，这种情况不能再继续下去了。

Madan Murthi
The penchant of these Abrahamic religions to take advantage of social conditions of local populations and convert them with inducements and enticements and often force is the main reason for communal clashes in Bharath. These Abrahamic religions are foreign to Bharath and while the Sanatani people of Bharath permit them to practice their faiths without any interference, they should have the courtsey and sense to respect Sanatani faith and not attempt to convert them and impose their dogmatic beliefs on them.

这些亚伯拉罕宗教有个癖好，就是利用当地民众的社会状况，通过利诱、蛊惑甚至强迫的方式让他们改信宗教，这是印度发生社群冲突的主要原因。

这些亚伯拉罕宗教对印度来说是外来的，而印度的传统教徒允许他们在不受干扰的情况下践行自己的信仰，他们理应礼貌且明智地尊重印度的传统信仰，而不应试图让传统教徒改信他们的宗教，也不该把自己教条式的信仰强加于人。

Vandenut
Separate state is the only solution. The enimity between two groups is beyond reconciliation.

建立独立的邦是唯一的解决办法。两个群体之间的仇恨已无法调和。

Athav
That is actually a good solution. Both communities have developed deep hatred towards each other. Forcing them into staying together is senseless. Same happened in Andhra vs Telangana and now both states are stable with many Andhra folks living peacefully in Telangana.

这实际上是个不错的解决办法。两个社群彼此之间已积怨颇深。强迫他们共处毫无意义。安得拉邦和特伦甘纳邦之间也曾发生过同样的情况，而现在两个邦都很稳定，许多安得拉人在特伦甘纳邦也能和平共处。

Sham Nv
Only problem is Kukis hilly region has 90% land with 40% population and Mieties with 60% population has 10% land, since previously Congress govt tactfully gave Kukis ST status and allowed only Kukis to hold land due to pressure from christian missionary. Christian Kukis is supported and finanaced by westren power to buy weapons and form a seperate christian country, 1st step is to ask for autonomy or state and then they will ask for country. Mieties who were orginal inhabitants and rulers of Manipur will be left with 10% of land and leftist like you will be happy even if genocide happens of them as they are hindus, just like it happened in Kashmir Pandits.

唯一的问题是，库基人所在的山区拥有90%的土地，人口却只占40%，而梅泰人占60%的人口，却只拥有10%的土地。这是因为之前国大党政府在基督教传教士的压力下，巧妙地给予了库基人表列部落地位，并且只允许库基人拥有土地。基督教库基人得到了西方势力的支持和资助，用以购买武器并建立一个独立的基督教国家。他们的第一步是要求自治或建立一个邦，然后就会要求建立一个国家。梅泰人作为曼尼普尔邦的原住民和统治者，将只剩下10%的土地。像你这样的左派人士，即便梅泰遭到种族灭绝也会很高兴，就如同克什米尔的潘迪特人所遭遇的那样。

Vinay
Manipur strife is due to the wrong appeasement of the minorities along with the complexties and funding by the Church which needs to be completely stopped. Congress has ensured that Manipuris become a minority in their own state and are later driven out.

曼尼普尔邦的冲突源于对少数群体的错误安抚，以及教会带来的复杂情况和资金支持，这些都必须彻底制止。国大党使得曼尼普尔人在自己的邦里成了少数群体，还在后来将他们驱逐出去。

Pappu
Will Pappu G and Soros ji allow peaceful coexstence of Manipur people as pervtheir Manipur strategy.

拉胡尔和索罗斯先生会按照他们在曼尼普尔邦的策略，允许曼尼普尔人和平共处吗？

Nationcomesfirst
State of Manipur cleanup of infestation will take time with concurrent peace deal.

要清除曼尼普尔邦的祸乱根源，同时达成和平协议，这需要时间。

Truth Seeker
What is constituionally wrong of having a separate state? The author or govt need to explain why a seaprate state is against constitution - when so many new states have been created. They think just throwing in the word constitution everyone will fall in line. Of course the media also doesn't question or think.

建立一个独立的邦在宪法上有什么问题呢？作者或者政府需要解释一下，既然已经建立了那么多新邦，为什么建立一个独立的邦就违反宪法呢。他们以为只要搬出“宪法”这个词，所有人就会乖乖听话。当然，媒体也没有提出质疑或进行思考。

Dev S
They just want to continue growing opium with the charch supporting the terror framwork. Lots of vested interests internally e.g maino pappu and american european evanglists. The impact of conversions

他们只是想在教会支持的恐怖框架下继续种植鸦片。国内有很多既得利益者

Mukesh Sheladia
Here, we should peep in history, why did Christianity spread in North Eastern tribal belts? Because,this region was grossly neglected by Hindu organisations and Saints. Thereafter, missionaries came out. Discrimination between upper and lower classes, has proved curse for Hindus. Now , we should wake up.

在这方面，我们应该回顾历史，基督教为什么会在印度东北部的部落地区传播呢？因为这个地区被印度教组织和圣人们严重忽视了。之后，传教士就来了。种姓制度中高低阶层之间的歧视，已被证明是印度教徒的祸根。现在，我们应该警醒了。

User Hiranandani
This is a particular case of a more general problem of the inability of different groups to get along. Leaders, from ALL walks - political, social, religious and others - need to address this seriously. People do not seem to see the larger picture, but groups and individuals want to advance at the cost of others. This is a fundamental problem.

这是一个更普遍问题的特殊案例，即不同群体之间无法和睦相处。来自各个领域——政治、社会、宗教等方面的领袖们都需要认真对待这个问题。人们似乎看不到大局，而各个群体和个人都想以牺牲他人为代价来提升自己。这是一个根本性的问题。

Gursharan Singh
Kukis will gain freedom soon from India.

库基人很快就会从印度获得“自由”

Mukesh Sheladia
Division mentality on ethnic identity.

基于种族身份的分裂心态。

Rise India
yes, they will be thrown out of india and sent back to myanmar. most are illegals, and refugees from slaughter in myanmar. india is kind-hearted, allowed them in to prevent their slaughter. but now they are trying to be trouble mongers here. we will throw them back from where they came from ie myanmar. and let them get slaughtered. no more mercies on refugees who come into india, esca religious persecution, and then turn separatists here. the good ones, who realize how lucky they were and how kind india was to take them, and work for india's interest here, will be welcomed to stay. the bad ones, who after running away from religious persecution and taking advantage of india's kindness, then want to have separate state here just because they became majority in a particular geographical area due to huge number of refugees, are not worth the kindness we showed them when they came here desperately, and we gave them refugee status and later citizenship. let them be thrown back to their original slaughterhouse, whether it is myanmar, bangladesh or pakistan !

是的，他们会被赶出印度，遣返回缅甸。他们中的大多数是非法移民，是从缅甸的屠杀中逃出来的难民。印度心地善良，为了避免他们被屠杀而收留了他们。但现在他们却想在这里惹是生非。我们会把他们遣返回他们的来处，也就是缅甸，让他们自生自灭。

对于那些为躲避宗教迫害而逃到印度，却又在这里搞分裂的难民，我们不会再心慈手软。那些明白自己有多幸运、知道印度收留他们是多么善良，并且为印度的利益而努力的好人，我们欢迎他们留下。而那些逃避宗教迫害、利用印度的善意，仅仅因为大量难民涌入而在某个特定地区成为多数群体，就想在这里建立独立邦的坏人，根本不值得我们当初在他们绝望地来到这里时给予的善意，那时我们给了他们难民身份，后来还给了他们公民身份。

让他们回到他们原本的“屠宰场”去吧，不管是缅甸、孟加拉国还是巴基斯坦！

Vinay
Please excuse him. He is just out of a mental asylum.

请原谅他吧。他刚从精神病院出来。