中国004型超级航母初具规模，会超越“福特”级航母吗

China’s Type 004 Supercarrier Takes Shape: Surpassing the Ford?

中国004型超级航母初具规模：会超越“福特”级吗？

Construction progress at China's land-based carrier facility reveals a full-sized replica of the Type 004's flight deck, pointing to the upcoming PLA Navy carrier to be as large as the Ford class of the US Navy.

中国陆基航母设施的建造进展显示出了一艘全尺寸的004型航母飞行甲板模型，这表明中国人民解放军海军即将问世的这艘航母可能会与美国海军的“福特”级航母一样大。

以下是各国网友的评论：

johnsmith1953x
Pretty Amazing how fast China is making carriers!

中国建造航母的速度实在太快了

YTsupportsZionaziGenocide
There's 6 things china is better at than most major countries:

- reverse engineering a foreign products and releasing an improved domestic version.

- adoption of ground breaking technologies, like maglev

- seamlessly merging multiple technologies; think of how modern their electric cars are, or post modern compared to what we in the west are used to.

- producing things at scale, literally no country on earth does it better.

- general science and technogical research (about 50% of all new patents have come from China for several years now),

- not gouging every nickel and dime out of their citizenry and global customer base, for example, they even run their
high speed rail at a loss for the greater overall economic good and prosperity of their nation and citizenry.

If american styled capitalism wasn't such a parasite, they be learning from China and replicating it, instead China is leapfrogging the entire west, despite every effort by the west to keep them in a value added economy, which would have resulted in china not breaking free of the poverty trap the west thought they had them in since the 70s, when they started becomming the world's factory.

China might very well be the single greatest national success story in world history, not just in how far they've come since the revolution, but especially in how fast they managed to do so.

中国有六件事比大多数主要国家做得更好：

- 对外国产品进行逆向工程，并推出改进后的国产版本。

- 采用突破性技术，比如磁悬浮技术。

- 无缝融合多种技术；想想他们的电动汽车有多么现代化，或者与我们西方所习惯的相比，是多么后现代。

- 大规模生产，说真的，地球上没有哪个国家能比中国做得更好。

- 基础科学和技术研究（几年来，全球大约50%的新专利都来自中国）。

- 不会从本国公民和全球客户群体身上榨取每一分钱，例如，为了国家和公民的整体经济利益和繁荣，他们甚至让高铁亏本运营。

如果美式资　本主义不是这么像寄生虫一样，他们应该向中国学习并复制中国的模式。相反，尽管西方竭尽全力想让中国停留在附加值经济中（自上世纪70年代中国开始成为世界工厂以来，西方就认为他们能让中国无法摆脱贫困陷阱），但中国却在超越整个西方世界。

中国很可能是世界历史上最伟大的国家成功范例，不仅在于自革命以来取得的惊人进步，更在于他们以如此快的速度实现了这些成就。

Hypercube_Infinity
Easy to pump out movie props, not so easy to make a functional warship

批量生产电影道具很容易，但要制造一艘实用的军舰可没那么简单。

rags417
@Hypercube_Infinity Easy to build and commission war ships at around 20-30 times the rate in the US when your shipbuilding capacity outmatches them by 300+ to 1

当你的造船能力比美国高出300多倍时，以比美国快20到30倍的速度建造并让军舰服役是很容易的事。

muzzle9999
@Hypercube_Infinity not like your country, easy to pump out sh it but not so easy to build toilets.

可不像你们国家，制造些没价值的东西倒是容易，但要建造厕所却没那么容易。

davidbosak7503
Fujian is breathtakingly beautiful. Every time I see aerial photos of that ship I'm gobsmacked

福建舰美得令人惊叹。每次看到这艘航母的航拍照片，我都惊讶不已。

frank-y8n
Ford class uses MVAC electric power system, PLAN uses the more efficient MVDC system.
I expect a PLAN nuclear aircraft carrier to use a pair of molten salt thorium reactors which operate at a higher temperature than the light water reactors used by USN, so for the same usable power the PLAN reactors have a lower thermal power and are much smaller and lighter, providing more usable ship for the same ship size.

“福特”级使用中压交流电力系统，中国人民解放军海军使用更高效的中压直流系统。我预计中国人民解放军海军的核动力航母会使用一对熔盐钍反应堆，其运行温度比美国海军使用的轻水反应堆更高。所以，在相同可用功率的情况下，中国人民解放军海军的反应堆热功率更低，而且体积更小、重量更轻，在相同舰体尺寸下能提供更多可用空间。

1ycan-eu9ji
molten salt is not remotely ready, the first test reactor is running sure, but it's clear they aren't ready as they are just now planning to build a second test reactor 10x bigger, molten salt in a ship is an extremely bad idea, if the tanks corrode you are fucked.

熔盐技术远远还没准备好，第一个试验反应堆确实在运行，但很明显还没准备妥当，他们现在才计划建造一个大10倍的第二个试验反应堆。在船上使用熔盐不大好，如果储存罐腐蚀了，那就麻烦大了。

ssslimey
Ask Russia how the liquid metal cooling went with some submarine incidents.

问问俄罗斯，在一些潜艇事故中，液态金属冷却系统的情况如何。

Lena-vw6ye
What's really crazy is that there is Youtube and these creators here to show us what is happening. In history, we would not be able to get to see the great empires be reborn in real time over the course of decades to retake their rightful place as a superpower. We are seeing history repeat itself, in the making.

在历史上，我们无法实时看到伟大的帝国在几十年的时间里重生，重新夺回作为超级大国的应有地位。我们正在见证历史重演，而且是正在发生的历史。

akka2011hk
004 will be at least 10-20% larger than the Ford class with a full displacement of 110-120K DWT as it may house the J36 and J50 both bigger than the J35A and J15T especially the J36. Recently CAC had filed a patent of a landing system for a naval version of the J36. The J36 is close in size to the B21

004型航母至少会比“福特”级大10%到20%，满载排水量达11万到12万吨，可能要搭载歼-36和歼-50，这两款战机都比歼-35A和歼-15T更大，尤其是歼-36。最近，成都飞机工业集团已经为海军版歼-36的着舰系统申请了专利。歼-36的尺寸与B-21相近。

ethanmac639
China already said that they are making the type 004 Supercarrier nuclear powered

中国已经表示他们正在建造核动力的004型超级航母。

shiishinchiu6636
Is this confirmed or just speculation?

这是得到证实的消息还是仅仅是猜测呢？

fatdoi003
see if it is uranium or thorium reactor

看看它是铀反应堆还是钍反应堆。

seductive_fishstick8961
I think its highly unlikely to be thorium. Its much more likely to be Uranium as china has much more experience with it

我认为是钍反应堆的可能性非常小。更有可能是铀反应堆，因为中国在铀反应堆方面的经验要丰富得多。

Jamesleun
confirmed or speculation, China usually doin things really fast. By the time we confirmed it, it’s probably already assembled.

不管是得到证实的消息还是猜测，中国做事通常都非常迅速。等我们确认这件事的时候，它很可能已经组装好了。

Steven-k8t
IMO, it could still be with hybrid propulsion as on the Russian CGNs, to minimize the risk if something goes wrong at sea, as PRC hadn't operated a surface ship of any kind with NP.

在我看来，它仍然可能采用像俄罗斯核动力巡洋舰那样的混合动力推进系统，以便在海上出现问题时将风险降至最低，因为中国还没有操作过任何一种核动力水面舰艇。

sunshinesun121
The Ford Carrier is already over 20 year Tech. Generators, Radar, Communications, Catapult, Defensive system, etc. have evolved significantly. AND The Type 004 have ALL the LATEST Technology integrated. Definitely the Fujian Type 004 Carrier is ... The Current "BOSS" on the OCEANS.

“福特”级航母的技术已经有20多年了。发电机、雷达、通信系统、弹射器、防御系统等都已经有了显著的发展。而且004型航母集成了所有最新的技术。毫无疑问，004型福建舰航母就是目前海洋上的“霸主”。

karldergrosse-333
This ship hasn’t even been put into service and you think it’s the “boss” of the oceans?

这艘航母甚至还没有服役，你就认为它是海洋的“霸主”了？

xnyiquan666
yes, it will, china is most advanced in every technology now

是的，它会成为霸主的，中国现在在各项技术上都是最先进的。

ssslimey
Having latest tech is one thing, but experience in using that tech to it's maxmum potential is another.

拥有最新的技术是一回事，但能够充分发挥这些技术的最大潜力并积累使用经验则是另一回事。

GavinQuan
Fujian may have a sister version before 004.

在004型航母之前，福建舰可能会有一艘姊妹舰。

1ycan-eu9ji
Last I heard they were building two simultaneous ships, a 003 sister ship and a 004

我上次听说他们正在同时建造两艘船，一艘003型的姊妹舰和一艘004型航母。

PlaYer-sn5or
no, China go straight to 004 nuclear power carrier

不，中国直接建造004型核动力航母。

tamimkhan742
building massive sized aircraft carrier is no more feasible in my opinion because of development of underwater drone and missile , china should invest more to build small carriers a lot and quickly similar to type 52D destroyer program , which will be cheap and somewhat expendable
50 small drone carrier that cost around 2-3 billion dollar is much better than creating 5 massive carrier which cost more than 10 billion a piece ,also because these are massive target and very vulnerable in modern drone era

在我看来，由于水下无人机和导弹的发展，建造大型航母不再可行。中国应该加大投资，快速建造许多小型航母，就像052D型驱逐舰项目那样，这些小型航母成本低廉，在一定程度上可以消耗。

造价约20到30亿美元的50艘小型无人机航母，比建造5艘造价超过100亿美元的大型航母要好得多，这些大型航母的目标太大了，在现代无人机时代非常脆弱。

GavinQuan
China is testing 076 which is similar as what you suggested.

中国正在测试076型，这和你建议的差不多。

Vhvjdow0ajsbcdhcuei3o22-om4sm
Carriers will be obsplete when aircraft are obsolete

当飞机过时的时候，航母也会过时。

YSKWatch
it will be like an island protected / supported by 100 various ships (52, 54, 55, submarine, etc). useful when land base is not accessible.

航母就像一个由100艘各种舰艇（052型、054型、055型、潜艇等等）保护和支援的岛屿。当无法使用陆地基地时航母会很有用。

heksogen4788
Carriers are still useful as a literal movable airfield. They are also great as expeditionary force to threaten weaker countries.

航母作为一个真正的可移动机场仍然很有用。它们作为远征部队来威胁较弱的国家时也非常有效。

Meatwaggon
The Ford has only THREE elevators, not four. The rear starboard elevator (#4) on the Nimitz carriers were hardly ever used to begin with which is why they did away with that elevator in the Ford design. I would not expect 004 to have four elevators either

“福特”级航母只有三部升降机，不是四部。尼米兹级航母上的右舷后部升降机（4号升降机）从一开始就几乎没怎么用过，“福特”级的设计中取消了那部升降机。我也不认为004型航母会有四部升降机。

kmwong1786
It would be interesting if China could develop a jet engine powered by a miniturized thorium nuclear reactor, removing the jet fuel constraint and have more space for supplies.

如果中国能够开发出一种由小型钍核反应堆驱动的喷气发动机，摆脱喷气燃料的限制，并为物资储备提供更多空间，那将会很有趣。

j-frame
The Type 004 can also be 342 m long the length of CVN 65 Enterprise

004型航母也可能有342米长，和“企业”号（CVN 65）的长度一样。

AchmedD-u4k
PLAN should make a submarine carrier.. Submarines that dock from under the ship.. Now that would be woww!?

中国人民解放军海军应该建造一艘潜艇航母。潜艇可以从船底进行停靠，那可太厉害了吧？

domokun845
For what purpose? So the subs can all be nuked at once?

为了什么目的呢？难道是为了让潜艇一下子都被核武器摧毁吗？

Padtedesco
So carriers don't be sitting ducks.

The only carrier who can survive in a few years will be submarine

这样航母就不会成为活靶子了。

在未来几年里，唯一能够幸存下来的“航母”将是潜艇。

ironteacup2569
I hope the US Navy gets it act together and sees how powerful the PLN is getting

我希望美国海军能振作起来，看看中国人民解放军海军正变得多么强大。

nickl1177
Are aircraft carriers obsolete? If it cant defend agst hypersonic missiles, why build them?

航空母舰过时了吗？如果它无法抵御高超音速导弹，那为什么还要建造它们呢？

mobiuszero1018
One question though:Aren't hypersonics making carriers obsolete? Are carriers like these really a good idea in the age where 1-2 missiles can send a carrier to the bottom?

不过有一个问题：高超音速导弹不是正在让航母过时吗？在这个1到2枚导弹就能把航母送入海底的时代，建造这样的航母真的是个好主意吗？

Hellfox777
China hasn't even got the 003 bug free yet now the 004 is surpassing the Ford? LMMFAO!

中国甚至还没有完全解决003型航母的问题，现在004型航母就要超越“福特”级了？我笑了